Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Which differs, per job, from rested exp only in terms of scaling.

Let's say we remove both fatigue and rested exp entirely, leaving only that fatigued/unrested baseline. How many hours/at-level-kills' worth of experience should it take a job to reach the level cap?

Now we add that pre-fatigued/rested state. If the base were the same, the two would likewise be effectively identical. Both are finite. The only difference is that the bonus "rested" exp is spent all one job and the bonus of "not yet fatigued" is spent on each.

If the goal is to extend/gate the time it takes to level a single job, the two leveling experiences remain identical for single-job levelers, while fatigue pushes ahead for multi-levelers. If the goal is to extend/gate the time it takes to level a few jobs, then "rested" tends to be faster in getting a single job to cap and "fatigue" tends to be faster in getting a few jobs to cap.

That's it. All that fundamentally changes is a shift in what is incentivized between single-leveling and multi-leveling. The rest is just turning the knob on the base exp acquisition rate relative to what's required to reach cap.

Yeah, but without rested, you can still grind out that job to max level. When you hit the fatigue wall you were done.

All nuances aside, fatigue was a stupid way to do it.

I've always leveled my jobs/classes serially, not in parallel. It makes more sense to me to do it that way. Fatigue sucked for that.

[Deveryn]

Why dont you just play a solo game though? Like the purpose of MMOs is to be with other people playing the game at the same time. All I'm reading is you're thankful you dont have to talk or do anything that takes any patience or effort. I'm not dimissing you, its a genuine question, feel free to play this game, but MMO - Massive Multiplayer Online is a genre where players would presumably play to socialize, and cooperate in. The hubbub of the cities with spams and chatter is... exactly what you would expect in a fantasy world, especially one set loosely around the imperial age with some futurism.

Nothing about logging on, telporting everywhere, queuing into everything I need to from my inn, and logging out, pretending anyone else is an NPC sounds fun or appealing. And in your case, even logging in to a dead FC.

Forgive me but it just doesnt sound like you want to play in an open world about "adventuring" (Ironically) where you play with others, so these are things solo games excel at.

All these conveniences come with a trade off, and IMO its not good, all it teaches people is to expect instant gratification and get super toxic the moment someone messes up. The game still has enough to keep me playing but they've truly taken the adventuring feel out of it and buried it 10 miles deep. I really wish people didn't keep pushing it into even more convenience and solitude.

I was only touching on a couple of aspects, but my main point was responding to your travel comment.

I like the social game, but I also like my peace. I do plenty of adventuring. I can and do interact with a lot of people in XIV. I've made friends in this and other games and engaged in a lot of group activities. You can knock my dead FC preference all you want, but I can tell you I've had my fill of drama in other groups. This quiet is a blessing and people actually stick around for it.

Socializing is encouraged and certainly optimal, but it's not mandatory. That's one of the great things about this games. Even the less social can come together with everyone to have some fun and clear some content. Not having to spend the time spamming an LFG channel is the best.

The toxicity you speak of has little to do with the game and everything to do with our culture and the society we live in (That's a whole other deep conversation for another time.)

[Shurrikhan]

When you hit the fatigue wall you were done.

Which would have remained the case for having run out of rested experience if they hadn't also increased the experience acquisition base. But that is, again, just a matter of scaling/tuning/turning-the-knob.

I've always leveled my jobs/classes serially, not in parallel.

I mean, even now it's kind of inferior to do so after reaching whatever endgame content you need to rush to, especially if you're not paying for retainers. In terms of inventory space, it's better to do a whole gear class (Aiming, Maiming, Striking, Scouting, Casting, Healing, or Fending) at a time.

But fair enough. I understand that preference. I just prefer taking breaks occasionally from my main to play on alt jobs. Rested experience as a system actively detracts from that because you can't choose on whom to spend the rested experience and you only acrue rested bonus experience while resting, whereas fatigue was rolled back (non-fatigued bonus regenerated) regardless of actually resting, meaning you could regain leveling efficiency for a given job just as much by playing any other job as you could by logging off.

[Ralphe2449]

No where, do you like... not like anyone? or Have you already come to the conclusion you won't like anyone you meet in game already? Kinda jaded.

Maybe, maybe not most likely, the fact remains that the moment you put socialization as an OBSTACLE to doing content, you have screwed your game for casuals because it is a lot easier to quit a game rather than be forced to socialize just to do group content, hence why auto group finder was such a success when introduced in WoW and why it is such a success in FF14, because it is ACCESSIBLE, no chatting, no socialization, you press a button, wait for a que and play the content.


If you need to socialize, make manual groups just to do a single group activity most casuals wont bother and instead leave your game, which is what happened to new world and countless other "hardcore" mmos which listened to the loud hardcore crowd or the devs themselves were part of said crowd and then had a pikachu face reaction when casuals left their game in droves xd

My brother in Christ I'm beginning to think you have a kink for elitists. Nearly every post you make is to take some potshots at the elitist boogieman and I gotta say, it's pretty weird fam.

Genuinely can't be healthy to have this much of a hate-boner for so long.

Wont somebody think of the poor elitist hardcores who keep advocating for the destruction of casual systems and rewards in games just to coddle their fragile ego D:

[SaberMaxwell]

Wont somebody think of the poor elitist hardcores who keep advocating for the destruction of casual systems and rewards in games just to coddle their fragile ego D:

At least we know the casuals have you defending them

[BaconBits]

Wont somebody think of the poor elitist hardcores who keep advocating for the destruction of casual systems and rewards in games just to coddle their fragile ego D:

That's it? That's your gimmick? Yadda yadda I HATE ELITISTS repeated ad nauseam until the cows come home?

God I miss Titanmen.

[Shurrikhan]

That's it? That's your gimmick? Yadda yadda I HATE ELITISTS repeated ad nauseam until the cows come home?

Well, that and just sheer misanthropy, apparently? There's a hell of a lot of conflation going on there between "I actually like having other people to talk to out in the world, and reason to speak to them (including by having chill but rewarding things to do outside of silently run instances and solo-play alone)" and 'vile, casual-slaying, conspiratorial elitists.'

[Felis-Silvertis]

Wow 36 pages. Not going to read all of them lol
Anyways, here are my 0.02.

First of all, message to FFXIV Andies : Stop blindly defending FFXIV - it is an excellent game that can stand on its own two feet. No need to try to convince someone who for some reason not into it/got tired of it. Don't become the Star Citizen cult that scouts the internet looking for any negative opinion of their vaporware and then descends on it like pack of vultures. If you go to any of the forums of the trash pvp gankbox "games" the first thing their denizens will tell you is "not a game for you" - and this should really be your only response. The beauty and brilliance of the FFXIV design is that it can easily function with minimum number of players - unlike your typical sweaty gankbox it isn't reliant on player generated content, so there is no need to try and win over folks who don't want to be here.

Secondly, I see the the usual "game is too easy" opinions floating around in this very discussion. This is normal. I haven't yet seen any game (even Dark Souls/Elden Ring) where someone hasn't declared it "too easy". You always going to have people who are generally good at pressing buttons at the right time and no-lifers who can grind/practice 16 hours per day, and to them any and every game will be too easy. This is normal and expected. It is on SE to balance the needs of this minority with the needs of the casual majority and so far they have been doing an excellent job doing it.

[Deveryn]

I forgot to mention this is actually the most social I've been anywhere, thanks to conveniences like DF and PF. I'm on a bunch of different discords, where I used to stick to my core group.

[hagare]

who don't want to be here.

ah, if only.