We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[Iscah]

and it's a double slap to the face knowing that they KNOW it won't actually help against 3rd parties. So they know all this does is punish those of us tgat do follow the rules. it's so stupid.

Read the actual article and not the OP's inaccurate summary-by-reaction. They do not say that they "know it won't help", they say that they know the scammers will continue to attempt to get around it, as a step to saying they have processes in place to delete illegally-obtained items from the buyer's account.

It's understandable to be upset, but it's also important to be upset at what they actually did say and not somebody else's claim of what they said.

[Blood_Blossoms]

I suspect that is why the Mog store always asks me for credit card information. The devs for the store (who are not the devs for the game) do not allow it.

Pretty much SE always been hard RTM but at the same time not they just always handle it poorly. but definitely been good about account security but even that fails.
Probs why need to get bit more extreme but not so extreme they limit the player base.

[SenseiMaria]

Read the actual article and not the OP's inaccurate summary-by-reaction. They do not say that they "know it won't help", they say that they know the scammers will continue to attempt to get around it, as a step to saying they have processes in place to delete illegally-obtained items from the buyer's account.

It's understandable to be upset, but it's also important to be upset at what they actually did say and not somebody else's claim of what they said.

This. RMTers will always try to get around these things, which is what Square is saying. So long as people keep buying this stuff and there's a profit margin for the 3rd parties to keep doing it, they'll keep doing it.

But one look at a very popular item code resale website has shown effectively every mogstation mount listing has been wiped out, and the remaining few have new notices like 'while code supplies last'. This change Impacted them heavily. They'll likely try and figure out how to monetize the remaining options as best they can, but in one decisive strike, Square just crushed 95% of the code relisting sellers. It is working.

This situation is almost completely temporary. You think Square would just leave money on the table for literally no reason? No, thats absurd, they're a capitalist business. This whole situation just screams of 'we needed a solution NOW, we'll implement this and then change it when we get a better one operational' to me.

EDIT: super cropped to not promote said website, but just to showcase:

This guy used to have 150 some odd offerings for basically everything on the mogstation that wasn't already dirt cheap. Today he's down to 18, with the indigo whale & chocobo carriage being the only two remaining, with only 2 & 3 supplies remaining in the listings respectively. His store offerings got annihilated

[Midareyukki]

This. RMTers will always try to get around these things, which is what Square is saying. So long as people keep buying this stuff and there's a profit margin for the 3rd parties to keep doing it, they'll keep doing it.

This is a curious thing that I don't see many people consider all that often.

Okay, so we hammer down on third party tools because they're too easy to add. All it takes is people finding an exploit or workaround, and that will be explored as hard as it can be. And odds are, Square won't be the ones designing this tool themselves, they'll use anti-cheat methods that are out there, which are still just as vulnerable. It'll stop cheating for the first few times, but again, all it takes is people finding a window and they'll squeeze right in.

They can try to make it harder. But obviously, some third party tools are actually helping the game just as much as they're hindering it. And some fall in a gray zone that Square is "okay" with, even if just through word of mouth. Suddenly all of those will be blacklisted, and you don't see Square go out of their way to implement an official version of their own.

And it's not like their decision doesn't harm them. Square Enix isn't stupid. It wasn't Yoshida who randomly came up with the idea, it wasn't even one of their interns. It was a collective decision, and while it likely is the most extreme, it's also the most immediate and guaranteed fix. This is going to hurt Square, this is going to upset quite a lot of people. But this is also going to ensure that the game isn't screwed over in the long term. And if it removes incentives from people taking your account details, then that's a good thing. Maybe in the future they may reconsider it, create a workaround, talk to people and so on. But for now, this is the avenue that they've chosen, and while it's a sucky sacrifice, it's a sacrifice that seems to be paying off as much (if not more) than it's hurting.

[Shibi]

...And it's not like their decision doesn't harm them. Square Enix isn't stupid. It wasn't Yoshida who randomly came up with the idea, it wasn't even one of their interns. It was a collective decision, and while it likely is the most extreme, it's also the most immediate and guaranteed fix. This is going to hurt Square, this is going to upset quite a lot of people. But this is also going to ensure that the game isn't screwed over in the long term. And if it removes incentives from people taking your account details, then that's a good thing. Maybe in the future they may reconsider it, create a workaround, talk to people and so on. But for now, this is the avenue that they've chosen, and while it's a sucky sacrifice, it's a sacrifice that seems to be paying off as much (if not more) than it's hurting.

And it may well be paying off, but unless the playerbase does speak and reasonably says "well this sucks, and we hope you can improve it" then SE will have little impetus for improving it. Gifting of mounts, minions, and emotes is lost to us forever.

I think it's quite reasonable they take their immediate action, for whatever real reason and harsh as it may be, but I do want them to sit down now and put some effort into this still so that things can be improved for us genuine players. Be that an increase in the time a friend needs to be in place, future delivery of an item, requiring OTP, checking IP address history, linking in the lodestone APIs on mount/minion possessions, or whatever it may be. Not that they are addressing a supposed problem, they should be able to work this out.

[Jgarcia]

Posting this in all threads pertaining to the RMT bandaid:

Originally, I didn't give the RMT announcement a second glance until multiple YouTube vids popped up regarding what the changes meant for us. I had skimmed it thinking all items were now available to send directly to friends, which was great, but didn't see that all items were no longer available until these vids brought it to my attention.

Everyone has multiple reasons for hating this. Mine specifically is that online store prizes, given away during FC events, are so limited now. In running my FC for over 6 years, not once has anyone requested an item from this list of things that are still available to gift:
-Costume sets/Weapon/Armor Cosmetics
-Furnishing/Housing Items
-Fantasia
-Story skips/boosts
-Dyes

Mounts & emotes, both and more of which can no longer be gifted, were always what my FC was interested in receiving for their prizes. This is so limiting to my members, and I really hope this bandaid solution is changed. No need to punish the players for a lack of proper RMT control.

[Midareyukki]

And it may well be paying off, but unless the playerbase does speak and reasonably says "well this sucks, and we hope you can improve it" then SE will have little impetus for improving it. Gifting of mounts, minions, and emotes is lost to us forever.

I think it's quite reasonable they take their immediate action, for whatever real reason and harsh as it may be, but I do want them to sit down now and put some effort into this still so that things can be improved for us genuine players. Be that an increase in the time a friend needs to be in place, future delivery of an item, requiring OTP, checking IP address history, linking in the lodestone APIs on mount/minion possessions, or whatever it may be. Not that they are addressing a supposed problem, they should be able to work this out.

Yep. Not disputing that. In fact, according to that twitter post, assuming it's true, Square's hands were tied. They likely were forced to go for an extreme measure.

So if people want to change this and have them implement a different method, then we need to make it known. If you understand how finances and how the visa thing works, if you can provide a better way than just "reopen the thing and risk these charlatans coming in and ruining things again", then say something.

Like, yeah, people are upset. Because it is an extreme measure. But it wasn't so hare-brained, they likely are aware of the repercussions. So being angy at the devs over this is a bit... eh? What's important is to now tell the devs to work on a way around this in the future or use a different method. Assuming they want to listen ^^; could also be that they think this is fine and leave it as-is.

[SpiltPickle]

And it's even worse if it just so happens that you recently bought minions and mounts to give away during your free company Halloween party... And now can't.
And can't get a refund on the items either.

This is not the answer.

[AshDidit]

they say that they know the scammers will continue to attempt to get around it, .

I'm not sure what your reading comprehension level is...
But 'attempt' in this instance means 'will'.
Accusing me (the OP) of misconstruing... when that's actually -you- twisting? lol
Reading comprehension teaches you to SEE the clue to discern meaning.
Let me help you..

From Lodestone:
We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue their attempts to sell fraudulently obtained items at lower prices
by temporarily registering the buyer on their friend list.

So, while you're sitting there whinging at others for believing the OP who 'didn't finish the quote'... maybe YOU should finish the quote also since it actually flips back to my point of the RMT Criminals WILL continue and SE even says HOW they'll do it.

Thanks

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[IkaraGreydancer]

I'm not sure what your reading comprehension level is...
But 'attempt' in this instance means 'will'.
Accusing me (the OP) of misconstruing... when that's actually -you- twisting? lol
Reading comprehension teaches you to SEE the clue to discern meaning.
Let me help you..

From Lodestone:
We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue their attempts to sell fraudulently obtained items at lower prices
by temporarily registering the buyer on their friend list.

So, while you're sitting there whinging at others for believing the OP who 'didn't finish the quote'... maybe YOU should finish the quote also since it actually flips back to my point of the RMT Criminals WILL continue and SE even says HOW they'll do it.

Thanks

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Where did that person whine exactly? Can't say I saw any of that in their post