We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[Havenchild]

So in other words:
Stormpeaks: "This negatively affects my experience when using this service."
SassyAssassin: "Well it doesn't affect MINE, so your bad experiences don't matter."

Pretty much says everything we need to know about you.

Except they aren't technically wrong. Your ability to "surprise" someone is in fact seperated from your ability to "gift" someone regardless of what you think it is. These two concepts do not run in tangent with each other. You can still gift someone something and you can still "surprise" them with a gift card. You can't surprise them specifically with a mount.

The entire conversation in this thread is being muddied by two seperate philosophies of people who are saying they can no longer buy someone a mount and others saying they can no longer gift friends period, which are both still technically untrue. You can provide a gift card and people can buy the item (or any item) if they want to.

So yes they are correct in stating that you can easily work around this. You can also say it can be an inconvenience to some. Both are equally right though. This isn't really that much of big deal and I highly doubt this will even be some super hot topic in the coming months. People will adjust to gift cards, for mount gifting specifically, its as simple as that.

[LianaThorne]

Except they aren't technically wrong. Your ability to "surprise" someone is in fact seperated from your ability to "gift" someone regardless of what you think it is. These two concepts do not run in tangent with each other. You can still gift someone something and you can still "surprise" them with a gift card. You can't surprise them specifically with a mount.

The entire conversation in this thread is being muddied by two seperate philosophies of people who are saying they can no longer buy someone a mount and others saying they can no longer gift friends period, which are both still technically untrue. You can provide a gift card and people can buy the item (or any item) if they want to.

So yes they are correct in stating that you can easily work around this. You can also say it can be an inconvenience to some. Both are equally right though. This isn't really that much of big deal and I highly doubt this will even be some super hot topic in the coming months. People will adjust to gift cards, for mount gifting specifically, its as simple as that.

It's not technically untrue, it's just false. You can gift someone a gift card and still have it be a surprise. In what world is someone not excited at being given something by a friend in general when they're not expecting it? They're still ultimately receiving the gift from you when they purchase it with the gift card you're giving. It's just one step longer in the process now than before.

It sounds more like an issue of ya'll don't trust your friends to actually spend the money on the thing rather than lack of gifting at all. I get that it's frustrating that they took away convenience and the ability to specifically pick out what you want to send but trying to say people won't be happy over getting *something* still is a stretch.

Side note: I'm aware it does make holiday related things like Secret Santa challenging and those people I do feel bad for. I hope new plans are able to be made to still enjoy the time with your FC.

[Rieze_Xeero]

Ascians in SE headquarters who thinks clamping down RMT means limiting its player-base, Milking FFVII, selling Eidos-Montreal, dull AVENGERS, wants NFTs in Final Fantasy etc.. Go away, we don't need you!

[SassyAssassin]

Pretty much says everything we need to know about you.

Oh no random stranger on the internet nr249864976542 knows everything there is to know about me from one paragraph.

These are the way things are temporarily, I gave you a solution until they change, take it or not, it makes zero difference to me.

[VelKallor]

Or you know. The fact that people almost 10 years in STILL don't use OTPs to protect their accounts. An OTP would have literally prevented this from happening but sure let's fault SE for having to implement a system in response to user negligence. At this point anyone who got their account compromised deserves it for the multiple user failures you would have to imploy for that to happen. They should also go a step further and mandate the usage of an OTP on all accounts.

I have always been serious about acct security...and have been laughed at for it. ive just received an email from my electricity company telling me to change my passwords NOW..I did that already but I am pleased to see the email.

Folks: if you dont already have a one time password attached to your acct, no joke, DO IT NOW

[ScorpioShirica]

As the holidays come around, more people are going to learn of these backwards restrictions and become angrier. I cannot imagine this is the best solution square can come up with.

[Deceptus]

I have always been serious about acct security...and have been laughed at for it. ive just received an email from my electricity company telling me to change my passwords NOW..I did that already but I am pleased to see the email.

Folks: if you dont already have a one time password attached to your acct, no joke, DO IT NOW

My rule:

If I have a payment attached to ANY account, and the service allows it, use a OTP (I wish more companies would allow it).

[HollowedDoll]

What a load of shit, I'm glad I gifted a specific minion to my partner before this.

What's next?

[VelKallor]

As the holidays come around, more people are going to learn of these backwards restrictions and become angrier. I cannot imagine this is the best solution square can come up with.

It is necessary. They will have to deal with it as best they can.

Sorry but a fact.

If this doesnt convince you:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...hack/101576992

Medibank and Optus hacks spark warning over identity theft risks from former victims

.....nothing will.

[KremlinKOA]

It's not looking like an error on their part, but a problem that picked up back in September when they originally announced they were suspending gifting. There was that huge breach elsewhere and a bunch of accounts managed to get compromised, which made more resources available for RMT. A lot of those accounts had saved payment info and you know what happens with that. There's plenty of user fault in this, especially with the people engaging in these transactions thinking they were safe.

I am saying their error is choosing the wrong solution.

In this case. Consider instead simply restricting the ability to purchase gifts to those accounts that have had a OTP for at least 30 days.

Sure, new accounts are restricted from gifting. But the ability for Streamers, Content Creators, FC leaders and RP social hub operators to continue their prize systems, and other use of gifts, would continue unhindered.

It would also solve the 'account got hacked and used for RMT' issue

As OTP and 2FA have proven the single most effective defense against such things.

SE chose a poor solution that carries negative effects, both for them, and for the players.