That Which He Does Not Play

[TheMightyMollusk]

In fairness, that one I blame them for being too secretive about Meteion. They overhyped the logo and the Amano artwork of Hydaelyn and Zodiark. Meaning expectations were too high for those two to be relegated to done-and-done deals and pave the way for the Endsinger.

I wonder if they already had the art done before they decided to condense the originally-planned Garlean expansion together with another to make Endwalker, then didn't have time and/or budget to commission new art (or were trying not to spoil the "twist" of Meteion) and they just had to roll with it as best they could. Would fit with my general impression of Endwalker being kinda rushed.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

The backlash isn't directed at criticism. It's directed at certain types n topics of criticism. If I was to make a thread about my enjoyment of the current state of healing I'd be insulted and ragged on by many of ths threads supporters.
It's a 2 way issue.

Highly doubt you'd be lambasted by the "supporters" of this thread and more so the masterclass healers that are annoyed at healer gameplay in the Healer Role subforum that almost never come to General Discussion. You make a thread about liking the current state of healing in General Discussion and you will hardly see much of anyone in this thread here posting in it.

[LianaThorne]

At this point people like to complain. I find it immature. If I don't like something I just don't do the thing. If I dislike a lot of things then I just play something else.

Idk about you but I'd prefer to live in a world where everything isn't 100% positive all the time.

If people wanna complain about the sky being blue instead of yellow, let em. What does someone else's random opinion really do to your day?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Idk about you but I'd prefer to live in a world where everything isn't 100% positive all the time.

If people wanna complain about the sky being blue instead of yellow, let em. What does it affect your life?

Hmmm. Easy answer. If enough people complain about something in a game you feel is fine, it has a chance to change into something you don't like. That's how it effects you.

I loved Ast in SB but folks complained about it just being a balance fish bot among other things. Now the class isn't fun for me to play due to changes. I want Noct Sect back but thats forever dead now

[LianaThorne]

Hmmm. Easy answer. If enough people complain about something in a game you feel is fine, it has a chance to change into something you don't like. That's how it effects you

That's a you problem.

If you love something, other people's opinions shouldn't change that love. Did you fall in love with something because other people told you to or did you find your own reasons?

Gotta learn to ignore peer pressure eventually/hold your own thoughts without being swayed by others that you don't even know lol.

[Renalt]

Idk about you but I'd prefer to live in a world where everything isn't 100% positive all the time.

If people wanna complain about the sky being blue instead of yellow, let em. What does it affect your life?

Oh no I agree. Toxic Positivity is a thing and it is VERY common here. It's quite weird really. However I just find it very annoying and almost babyish to constantly complain about something one could just...walk away from. Even more so when certain individuals seem to do nothing BUT complain.

I have my gripes about the game too. I don't care for Island Sanctuary, I think the Viera/Hrothgar issue is just a bad joke now with them outright refusing to fix it (Doesn't affect me since I'm a hyur but I understand their frustration ) and I LOVE PvP but PvP is just not something I like to do here because...well I don't like it.

[Midareyukki]

That picture doesnt really make sense....again, you make it sound like you're the only one, when there are multiple people.
I didnt lump myself in with the crowd and then get mad at you.

I mean... the image is also a gross generalization. I did call the thread bait, for example, but only because the way the argument was presented felt "weak". And I did mention it before, it felt weak because it sounded like he was going for "The dev didn't play the content, see, see, see???". I didn't agree. Not at the start: I'm all up for discussing how the devs treat the game and whether it's been fair or with effort, but I've made the mistake before of nitpicking the devs for one mistake that could be explained away with some thought. Especially since a lot of people are that quick to jump into the devs' defence, often excusing bad habits while they're at it.

But then I understood what he was going for, in which case, yeah, I agreed. And I'll even add that the quote is inconsistent. Yoshida says 3 things:
1 - "There are a lot [of favorite parts about Island Sanctuary]"
2 - "I like being able to play without needing to hurry and having the freedom to play by myself"
3 - "I have yet to step foot in the island sanctuary on my personal account."
Which I took it in two ways.
1 - How can he say that he has a lot of favourites and loves playing without needing to hurry when he hasn't played through it?
2 - Not on his personal account, but he has played through it on the testing servers. Which isn't the same, since you can godmode and rush the process, bypassing the tedious aspects entirely.
And I am trying to come up with the benefit of the doubt to satisfy the aforementioned "I don't want to nitpick on the devs without giving it some thought", but everything I can come up with just doesn't get past #2. His wording is specifically that "he hasn't set foot in it on his personal account". Even if he's played through it, it's not the same as it being on your personal account, which is a reflection of your own interests and effort.

And given how what Yoshida doesn't play just so happens to be the parts that are in need of attention... I'm not saying it's true, but it is sus. And the man hasn't done much to convince me of otherwise. A post defending buffing PvP BLM, even if they were justified, just sounded weird.

Even when I disagreed with Aveyond, I really didn't care if he was right or not. Sometimes I read his stuff and I agree, sometimes I disagree. Sometimes he says things I'm like "Yes, 100%" but sometimes he says something that I'm like "Well, there isn't really proof of that, is there?". And yeah, he's infamous for making posts about disliking things, but I've seen him post about stuff he does like and respect about the game, rare as they may be. So even if he's known for being a contrarian, I can still look at what he says and think for myself whether I agree or not, even if I'm mistaken.

Highly doubt you'd be lambasted by the "supporters" of this thread and more so the masterclass healers that are annoyed at healer gameplay in the Healer Role subforum that almost never come to General Discussion. You make a thread about liking the current state of healing in General Discussion and you will hardly see much of anyone in this thread here posting in it.

:P I don't main a healer, even if I like Astrologian. It's not what I play at higher levels, and as I mentioned, I'm not a smart person. I don't know how healer optimization looks like. My input would just be weak in comparison. I can give my support for healers, but I'd hardly know what to say if anyone asks how the gameplay should be. Because I might have trash ideas that just aren't viable for high-end play.

[LianaThorne]

Oh no I agree. Toxic Positivity is a thing and it is VERY common here. It's quite weird really. However I just find it very annoying and almost babyish to constantly complain about something one could just...walk away from. Even more so when certain individuals seem to do nothing BUT complain.

I have my gripes about the game too. I don't care for Island Sanctuary, I think the Viera/Hrothgar issue is just a bad joke now with them outright refusing to fix it (Doesn't affect me since I'm a hyur but I understand their frustration ) and I LOVE PvP but PvP is just not something I like to do here because...well I don't like it.

As it's been repeated multiple times: The people who voice complaints & criticisms are the ones that still care enough to try to make a change. You'd rather people just give up on a game they enjoy just because they take issue with one part of it/stay silent instead of creating an outlet for others to voice similar problems in the hope of making the devs aware that something is wrong?

Wha?

[IkaraGreydancer]

That's a you problem.

If you love something, other people's opinions shouldn't change that love. Did you fall in love with something because other people told you to or did you find your own reasons?

Gotta learn to ignore peer pressure eventually/hold your own thoughts without being swayed by others that you don't even know lol.

Ok so by that logic folks who hate how healers have been gutted shouldn't complain cause that's a "them" issue.

You see how off that sounds? I'd like to think you just didn't read that correctly

[RokkuEkkusu]

At this point, I'm honestly surprised that this thread has not yet been heavily moderated and/or closed after all the posts going around in this thread.