That Which He Does Not Play

[Jeeqbit]

Yoshi-P played through Island Sanctuary live on stream. So if we need some sort of proof that he has done it we have video evidence. He said he hasn't done it on his personal account not that he hasn't done it at all.

In case it's not obvious why he hasn't done it on his personal account, he is an obviously busy guy managing the entire development and operation of the game. Let's not forget he has his own health and family to manage as well.

Basically this. As far as I'm concerned Yoshi's preferences are hurting anyone who isn't aligned with them by way of neglect. The lengths and arguments people have spun in defense of it will never cease to amaze.

Yoshi-P sees his own experience as a reflection of the experience of most people and he's right. He is a busy person who only has time to play FFXIV in a casual way on his personal account and so are most other working people, so by designing an MMO that works for him he designs one that works for other people who have limited time to play because of work.

And if you have a lot of time he creates crazy grinds like the hunt mounts, the firmament mount, the fate mount and extreme trial mounts.

[Theodric]

Dismantled that claim....how? I've never once seen you (and key others) say Avey is wrong or off about anything. Even what there's evidence to prove he is wrong. Hes made many as you say utterly bizarre claims yet theyre always cosigned buy a selct few of you. You and those others generally direct your attention to folks being an ass to him (or midly aggressive) rather than actually debating with people bringing up counter points. You call it a conspiracy theory. I call it what I often see. (You yourself have even admitted to your friends here telling you what folks you have on ignore say to you so...theres clearly a clique thing going on imo)

Again, care to refute my points? I provided evidence that Yoshi does care about content that doesn't impact him personally. Do you have a counter?

I'm really not sure what you're getting at. My own stance is the same as Lauront's own in that I agree with Aveyond at times, I disagree with him on other issues. I'm not here to police what he says or does or keep track of what he says across different threads.

Nor do I feel particularly inclined to be at your beck and call or specific whims whenever you want your points refuted. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

[Striker44]

People not logging into the game are an indication that it is true, and yes that is based on personal experience, I also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.

It's always risky using anecdotal evidence as a basis for making generalizations. Trying to extrapolate from the most minuscule of small samples to an entire playerbase of hundreds of thousands of people is statistically worthless. And there's doubtless other people whose anecdotal evidence says the exact opposite (such as myself). The people I play with are still around, and everywhere I go, I see a ton of other players in the game doing content.

That some people on your particular friend list decided to stop logging in doesn't mean anything aside outside of those specific people. It doesn't mean "quite a lot" of people are doing anything, nor for any of the reasons you put forth. For example, right now I'm playing FFXIV, Destiny 2, Warcraft 3 Reforged, and Privateer 2. I'll rotate between them. Sometimes that means there's a week or two in a row where I won't log in to FFXIV. It doesn't mean there's a lack of content or that I'm finding anything boring. I still have a long list of things I'm looking forward to doing, and I have a lot of fun every time I log in. But I also have fun playing other games, too, and only so much time to play. So sometimes I'll play those more, especially if Destiny 2 has a particular "theme of the week" going that I particularly enjoy, or if I hit a certain point in Privateer 2 where I'm really into that part of the story. None of that takes anything away from how much fun I'm also having in FFXIV.

If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

(Un-)Fortunately, all they're really seeing is how bad of a take you have and potentially forming a larger opinion of your posts based on how it's been demolished in this thread :\

[IkaraGreydancer]

I'm really not sure what you're getting at. My own stance is the same as Lauront's own in that I agree with Aveyond at times, I disagree with him on other issues. I'm not here to police what he says or does or keep track of what he says across different threads.

Nor do I feel particularly inclined to be at your beck and call or specific whims whenever you want your points refuted. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

Who said anything about being at my beck n call/whim? Why inject something that has no place in the conversation? And if you disagree with him at times as you claim I've never once seen it. Not saying it's not happened mind you. Nobody said anything about policing what he says either. Another injection that makes little sense.

All this basically amounts to is you being challenged to refute something and you going all across the world to basically say that you wont/can't. I don't get it

[hagare]

The buzzing in the room just got a little louder, it seems.

yeah, threads like this keep buzzing around.
Well, we know what we do to other things that keep buzzing around.
*brings out the bug spray*

[SentioftheHoukai]

It unfortunately doesn't hide threads he creates. Or I'd have done it long ago.

Are you joking right now? Or are YOU the joke? You can see who made what thread, and choose to never visit any of Aveyond's threads if he, as you say, "has no valid points".

The onus is on YOU, to take responsibility and avoid a poster you hate so much. The ignore button isn't necessary, no I get the feeling you'd rather he disappear and not be able to post at all, huh?

Your actions give credence to the theory that those on here just want to shut Aveyond's thoughts and opinions out. Use common sense, if you would kindly please.

[kpxmanifesto]

Yoshi-P played through Island Sanctuary live on stream. So if we need some sort of proof that he has done it we have video evidence.

Ok. Did he actually play through it like you said? Or did he just play it for like 2 hours and call it a day? I'm willing to throw Yoshi P a bone here if he in fact played through it.

[Theodric]

Who said anything about being at my beck n call/whim? Why inject something that has no place in the conversation? And if you disagree with him at times as you claim I've never once seen it. Not saying it's not happened mind you. Nobody said anything about policing what he says either. Another injection that makes little sense.

All this basically amounts to is you being challenged to refute something and you going all across the world to basically say that you wont/can't. I don't get it

Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Now you're claiming that I'm injecting things that have no place in the conversation but I was simply commenting on things that you, yourself, were stating and implying in your own posts - as those following this back and forth can see outright for themselves.

There's also no 'challenge' on your part. I try to keep my engagement with you to a minimum and I'm only responding on the basis that you're accusing me of things that simply aren't true.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Aveyond also strikes me a tad misogynistic a bit with his take on female characters and male characters. Its very biased and stupid and I wouldnt be saying all that and just strike it up as harmless opinion if it werent for the fact for how hard he pushes his own agendas and constantly treats his opinions as hard fact. Its very degrading and completely undermines the actual good points he makes.

What exactly does "Aveyond is misogynist" contribute to THIS DEBATE, precisely? Aside from the usual motive of, "ignore this person no matter what the topic, they're evil".

[SentioftheHoukai]

As mentioned several times, blocking doesn't hide created threads for some reason, so we are stuck with seeing them anyway.

Plus, it's rather entertaining reading his completely off the walls takes. It's like reading bad take Twitter threads on politics actually.

And as I've said, you can just NOT VISIT ANY AVEYOND THREADS. Got any other profound wisdom to share? Nah, it's KPx above me said. You guys SAY you want to block Aveyond but the reality is that your behaviours prove the truth. That most of you would rather see what he has to say, so you can argue with it.