Wondering what to do, honestly...

[Petite]

With the current job balance being the way it is, I'm at a lost on what to actually [play] right now.

WTH is this? Unless you're world-progging week 1, you play what you like to play, end of the line!

"I don't want to be seen as weak because my job does less than the others." Who cares!? Just be the best MCH / RDM / SMN / PLD you can be. Yes there are inequalities, but stop making it seem like FF14's job balance is as bad as Vanilla WoW's just to protect your fragile egos.

[Satarn]

WTH is this? Unless you're world-progging week 1, you play what you like to play, end of the line!

"I don't want to be seen as weak because my job does less than the others." Who cares!? Just be the best MCH / RDM / SMN / PLD you can be. Yes there are inequalities, but stop making it seem like FF14's job balance is as bad as Vanilla WoW's just to protect your fragile egos.

You are going off at a newbie and insulting their supposedly "fragile ego" because they *checks notes* "politely asked some questions about the severity of an issue that is currently a hot topic among the community".

GCBTW

Speaking of basing all comparisons on just WoW though...

[MagiusNecros]

WTH is this? Unless you're world-progging week 1, you play what you like to play, end of the line!

"I don't want to be seen as weak because my job does less than the others." Who cares!? Just be the best MCH / RDM / SMN / PLD you can be. Yes there are inequalities, but stop making it seem like FF14's job balance is as bad as Vanilla WoW's just to protect your fragile egos.

Vanilla WoW probably has better job balance right now lol

Then again Vanilla WoW classes actually have identity going for them.

[Petite]

asked some questions about the severity of an issue that is currently a hot topic among the community".[/SIZE]

Yeah, great job to our amazing community for making such a big deal of a non-issue for 99% of players, so much so that even newbie players come to second-guess themselves on how to have fun. This community is made of 1% hardcore raiders and 50% NPCs who parrot anything the 1% say even when it doesn't apply to them. The rest mind their own business.

I was adressing the community at large in my previous post if you hadn't noticed. I wasn't "going off" at OP. Thought that was clear enough in my wording.

Vanilla WoW probably has better job balance right now lol

Get real.. Even in the Classic 2019 Molten Core days, a raid that could be beat in green gear, Ret, Feral, Elemental, Arms and many more were widely shunned and outright banned from even joining rando pugs because they were so far behind optimal classes.

Sure FF14's balance needs some work, but we're so privileged compared to other mmos in terms of balance, we make drama up over peanuts just for a good thumbnail / clicks / likes.

[MagiusNecros]

Get F-ing real.

Each class had multiple specs and were used for a specific role. WoW started to go downhill once the devs decided what you could spec into and controlled how you played. Vanilla WoW's pure joy was playing out like an RPG where your progression and gear matters. If specs were shunned that's a toxic community problem. Just because some people cleared content faster with meta comps doesn't mean other comps weren't possible. But I suppose a better example is Guild Wars 2 where you have distinct build variety for different modes.

All I'm really seeing in FFXIV right now is a rushed PvE xpac because a lot of time and creativity went into PvP. And as a result a lot of classes in Meleewalker are all over the place. The game is probably gonna fix itself to where it should be in 7.0.

A big takeaway that balance was gonna be screwed over was the very first time they said to "not worry about potencies" way back before 6.0 launch. And here we are.

And it's good the raiders are exposing the balancing issues as they are because the 99% are just going to take a break and wait until a patch fixes the problem. But if no one criticizes these things they won't change.

When Yoshi P says he wants to be like WoW I believe him. Because like current WoW class balance is something they don't know how to do.

Which is surprising since ShB was the best balance we had across the board.

[Kabooa]

If specs were shunned that's a toxic community problem.

Fire mages are quite literally useless in Molten Core.

Edit: Well, at least they were. I don't know if they did any reworking for the Classic version, but if they did, then it wouldn't be faithful recreation.

Suffice to say - There were actively bad specs in WoW vanilla. In fact, there were actively bad specs in every version of the game I Played until around 2012, when I stopped.

"Toxic community", sure. Not going to say it wasn't there.

But bringing a Fire based spec when things in the instance are fire immune is bad manners.

[MagiusNecros]

Fire mages are quite literally useless in Molten Core.

The class can respec. The Class is Mage. Not Fire Mage specifically.

I think overall with the specs in WoW each at different points had different uses for different situations.

But right now I think the Class balance is contingent on the encounter and the endless grind for Rep and doing dailies just turns people off the game.

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Back to XIV I think the 2 minute meta is just a one size fits all combat design for PvE to fit everyone in the same box and while for some it's great for others it isn't.

[Petite]

Each class had multiple specs and were used for a specific role.

Obviously I was referring to spec imbalance. But even classes were pretty heavily shunned. You'd want as few Warlocks, Druids, Hunters as possible in any 40 man raid back then.

All I'm really seeing in FFXIV right now is a rushed PvE xpac because a lot of time and creativity went into PvP.

Were you there in the studio when that happened? Or are you simply speaking from atop your headcanon?

And it's good the raiders are exposing the balancing issues as they are because the 99% are just going to take a break and wait until a patch fixes the problem. But if no one criticizes these things they won't change.

PFFT! So 99% of raiders will take a break because of the current imbalance? Okayyy !

I never said people couldn't criticize balance. I already agreed it needs work. RDPS need potency buffs for this tier or fights that don't cater so much to melee DPS in the next. But people are making a mountain of a mole hill this time.