What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Vahlnir]

Agreed. I feel the big problem here was how it was presented. It was the last zone, of course we knew they were copouts and how it was going to end. Had the script been written with us losing each Scion one by one after the Final Days started, somebody in Radz, somebody in Thavnair, somebody in Garlemald, Thancred's sacrifice, Estinien's sacrifice, and then culminating in losing the twins before the final walk, THAT would have made it hit even harder. Yes, them coming back would still be a bit of a cop out, but I think a lot of us would have accepted it a hell of a lot better.

This would have been an excellent approach. I still would have said "dangit, I thought I was finally rid of at least one of them!" but it still would have been well played from a writing standpoint.

[Midareyukki]

This would have been an excellent approach. I still would have said "dangit, I thought I was finally rid of at least one of them!" but it still would have been well played from a writing standpoint.

Even I who don't necessarily want to be rid of any of them agree with Ryu there. Because the execution was just a mess imo. Okay, sure, you want to provide shock and tension in the last area, but it's so corny, what you're doing is so obvious that I couldn't quite take it seriously. And Y'shtola outright admitting there's a way to bring everyone back just makes me question why the sacrifices were added to begin with xD

[Vahlnir]

Even I who don't necessarily want to be rid of any of them agree with Ryu there. Because the execution was just a mess imo. Okay, sure, you want to provide shock and tension in the last area, but it's so corny, what you're doing is so obvious that I couldn't quite take it seriously. And Y'shtola outright admitting there's a way to bring everyone back just makes me question why the sacrifices were added to begin with xD

There really wasn't much point to any of it. Thancred's "death" was the one that was the least forced. If they were going to commit to one, that would have been the one to go with. I don't mind Thancred, but I think that would have been an excellent place and time to send him off. He would have gone down swinging. A good death for him as a character and a gunbreaker to boot.

[Boblawblah]

makes me question why the sacrifices were added to begin with xD

so you think that Ultima Thule would have had just as much weight if the Scions hadn't given themselves to fight despair to pave the way for the WoL to get to Metion? I can understand you not enjoying Ultima Thule, I can't understand you just out right ignoring the whole point of why they "sacrificed" themselves.

[Midareyukki]

so you think that Ultima Thule would have had just as much weight if the Scions hadn't given themselves to fight despair to pave the way for the WoL to get to Metion? I can understand you not enjoying Ultima Thule, I can't understand you just out right ignoring the whole point of why they "sacrificed" themselves.

You know darn well I didn't say that, go read it again before being snide.

God you're so irritating! You take things out of context and trash on people's post to make them look bad.

I SAID THE EXECUTION WAS BAD

not that the idea itself was bad

I SAID THAT THEY MADE IT TOO OBVIOUS

not that they shouldn't have sacrifices to begin with

DO YA GET IT DO YA GET IT???