Patch 6.21 Job Adjustments Overview:

[Curisu]

Why does everyone want to get rid of PLDs shield bash?
It is a great situational tool for potd/hoh over world mobs and potentially the new criterion dungeons.

Overall I like and would like to keep the situational skills of a paladin, that's a unique part of him.

I can't count the amount of runs and death's I saved with cover. See it like rescue, but without the troll aspect.
The wing's can be used frequently in the current content because everyone is stacked anyway. And in addition to it you have a shield for everyone.
That PLD does not profit of it's own group CDs is again, part of the class identity and makes him different from the other tanks. Also, Tanks don't need the group mitigation for raid wides.

When they rework part's of him then I just hope that they keep his situational kit as it is.

[Tlamila]

Why does everyone want to get rid of PLDs shield bash?
It is a great situational tool for potd/hoh over world mobs and potentially the new criterion dungeons.

Overall I like and would like to keep the situational skills of a paladin, that's a unique part of him.

I can't count the amount of runs and death's I saved with cover. See it like rescue, but without the troll aspect.
The wing's can be used frequently in the current content because everyone is stacked anyway. And in addition to it you have a shield for everyone.
That PLD does not profit of it's own group CDs is again, part of the class identity and makes him different from the other tanks. Also, Tanks don't need the group mitigation for raid wides.

When they rework part's of him then I just hope that they keep his situational kit as it is.

Yeah I really hope they remove nothing. Wings are awesome, and shield bash is awesome in deep dungeons. Being able to chain stun enemies hugely increase your survival chances, especially if you stun them when they're about to use a nasty skill and/or they die fast enoguh to keep them stunned the whole fight. Just because a skill isn't used for raiding it doens't make it useless.

[Rithy255]

Why does everyone want to get rid of PLDs shield bash?
It is a great situational tool for potd/hoh over world mobs and potentially the new criterion dungeons.

Overall I like and would like to keep the situational skills of a paladin, that's a unique part of him.

I can't count the amount of runs and death's I saved with cover. See it like rescue, but without the troll aspect.
The wing's can be used frequently in the current content because everyone is stacked anyway. And in addition to it you have a shield for everyone.
That PLD does not profit of it's own group CDs is again, part of the class identity and makes him different from the other tanks. Also, Tanks don't need the group mitigation for raid wides.

When they rework part's of him then I just hope that they keep his situational kit as it is.

ok but would it really change much in overworld content and dungeons if shield bash was removed? Maybe Heaven on High and palace? but ok thats prolly a bit of a stretch case for one ability that generally takes up Paladins kit, Shield bash being so obscure basically becomes a button waste, if they were going to give Paladin new abilities or want to cut something I'd want it to be shield bash, Cover Should be changed but not removed.

Also Paladin not benefiting from group cds such as Divine veil being class identity from not benefiting from it is a weak reason, It being "different" doesn't always mean it's a good thing, I'm sorry but I can understand why people would defend Paladins current rotation but Paladin being "unique" because it doesn't benefit from its own raid wides is a poor reason to keep it as it is, It's not even unique it's just slightly worse shake it off.

Being unique for the sake of being unique isn't good game design, You can still make tanking kits different from one another without them being obscure or practically weighing down the class for "job idenity".
Shield bash doesn't need to be removed but if they were to remove a Paladin ability (because Paladin has a lot of bloat, I do think it's something they might be looking to do) I'd want it to be shield bash to be removed first 100%

[Oizen]

Why does everyone want to get rid of PLDs shield bash?
It is a great situational tool for potd/hoh over world mobs and potentially the new criterion dungeons.

Overall I like and would like to keep the situational skills of a paladin, that's a unique part of him.

I can't count the amount of runs and death's I saved with cover. See it like rescue, but without the troll aspect.
The wing's can be used frequently in the current content because everyone is stacked anyway. And in addition to it you have a shield for everyone.
That PLD does not profit of it's own group CDs is again, part of the class identity and makes him different from the other tanks. Also, Tanks don't need the group mitigation for raid wides.

When they rework part's of him then I just hope that they keep his situational kit as it is.

You're job is going to become a Fell Cleave tank like the rest and you are probably not going to like it.

[RyuDragnier]

You're job is going to become a Fell Cleave tank like the rest and you are probably not going to like it.

No, I don't think it'll be a Fell Cleave tank. However, I suspect some big changes for it.

Atonement may end up being removed, Holy Spirit/Circle may become oGCDs in the same line as Edge/Flood, Requiescat may end up being merged with Fight or Flight, and all 3 Blades spells may become Weaponskills. I could see them reducing the cooldown on that merger of Fight or Flight and Requiescat to 20s, and make Confeitor a 1m oGCD that enables the Blades spell combo after being used. The burst window they'd vie for would be the Requiescat -> Goring Blade -> Royal Authority combo -> Confeitor -> Blades combo. That would be 7 GCDs and a single oGCD, fit into a 20s burst window. Holy Spirits would likely be used in between the GCDs, giving PLD a very powerful burst while not really removing anything but Atonement. This would also fix the Skill/Spell speed split, essentially fixing PLD without horribly destroying the job.

[krisatriya]

Atonement may end up being removed, Holy Spirit/Circle may become oGCDs in the same line as Edge/Flood, Requiescat may end up being merged with Fight or Flight, and all 3 Blades spells may become Weaponskills. I could see them reducing the cooldown on that merger of Fight or Flight and Requiescat to 20s, and make Confeitor a 1m oGCD that enables the Blades spell combo after being used. The burst window they'd vie for would be the Requiescat -> Goring Blade -> Royal Authority combo -> Confeitor -> Blades combo. That would be 7 GCDs and a single oGCD, fit into a 20s burst window. Holy Spirits would likely be used in between the GCDs, giving PLD a very powerful burst while not really removing anything but Atonement. This would also fix the Skill/Spell speed split, essentially fixing PLD without horribly destroying the job.[/QUOTE]

actualy i like this idea, PLD are DRK twins for me