Reaper needs additional buffs.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

You cant have raid dps be balanced if utility isnt balanced. It just doesnt work like that.

And yet monk has a better raid buff and mantra is simply better than arcane crest.

The amount of people trying to cling to the idea that arcane crest is good enough reason for reaper the "selfish" dps to be dead last is kinda funny.

I was healer main for years, you think a 50 potency hot is more useful to me rather than the flat healing buff I can get from mantra instead? Any raidwide aoe I already have mits and healing planned for, arcane crest is totally irrelevant. It's pointless overheal. Mantra has much more impact to me. Esp on a healer check. Even then I could have no monk or reaper and I will heal just fine without any support from either of them. No shortage of players who simply ignore the utility they have.

If they made raids where the support was actually relevant to me as a healer they would suddenly find themselves with jobs being rejected due to being unable to meet certain heal/mit checks. The content can be cleared with any comp so what if I have a blm sam mch and drg? Myself and co healer can handle any damage that is incoming. The support utility the jobs bring is mostly flavour and jobs should not be heavily punished for having it.

And again, arcane crest is not some godly utility. It is a personal shield that so happens to have a small hot. Really don't get peoples desire to keep reaper lower, I've seen it blocked on some p8s pfs. It is unacceptable.

People had the expectation of a selfish dps set by yoshi p and atm that expectation is not being met. The job needs a buff to be closer to samurai as the 'selfish' role it should be in. They also need to fix whatever nonsense is going on with the caster dps and mch. BLM should be way up by samurai too. SMN and RDM should not be too far behind the lowest melee either.

[Lisonna]

I don't know if it's been said yet, but I think this could be really easy to justify as well with the MSQ. I think the new MSQ character could teach RPR a thing or two. Even if it isn't gameplay changing, I would hope for a brief RPR questline and lore explanation, a couple potency buffs, and maybe a visual update. Perhaps they could teach our Avatar a couple of tricks . It would be a really nice touch, hits lore points, and improves RPR's position in dps.

[ChaozK]

And yet monk has a better raid buff and mantra is simply better than arcane crest.

The amount of people trying to cling to the idea that arcane crest is good enough reason for reaper the "selfish" dps to be dead last is kinda funny.

Reaper is neither selfish nor is it dead last. Selfish means it gets to have high personal dps not rdps, which its currently at spot 3.
The only thing one can argue is that RPR should be dealing more personal dmg than MNK so it could switch to 2nd highest.

Arcane crest is also infinitely better than Mantra.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Arcane crest is also infinitely better than Mantra.

Lmao no

For party utility the mantra can apply to every heal I throw within its duration, 15 seconds. So if for some reason I needed to throw out 5 gcd heals I get 10% extra potency on every single one. My astro under lightspeed can get 6 gcd heals out in this time. This in a healer check where there are party wide multi hits that chunk for good dmg is FAR more useful than arcane crest. 10% extra potency on 5-6 gcd heals applying to 8 people each time. As a healer I don't give a hoot about an arcane crest ticking. After a raidwide if I know there is no further dmg coming I let the party tick up to full naturally. I do not need some crappy 50 pot hot. And if there IS another raidwide coming the hot will not be the deciding factor in healing it.

Also you can say what you want, yoshi P himself said the job is a selfish type dps. And this is further seen in the weaker raid buff of 3%, that is used to give the reaper a big hitting ability. And the weaker utility that is the self shield and tiny hot. Furthermore, the selfish dps samurai is the 2nd highest rdps job ))

Anyway yourself and others repeating the same nonsense in this thread have no clue. I would say to remove yourselves but that's wishful thinking. Here's to hoping the devs have a better clue than you ^^

[ChaozK]

Lmao no

For party utility the mantra can apply to every heal I throw within its duration, 15 seconds. So if for some reason I needed to throw out 5 gcd heals I get 10% extra potency on every single one. My astro under lightspeed can get 6 gcd heals out in this time. This in a healer check where there are party wide multi hits that chunk for good dmg is FAR more useful than arcane crest. 10% extra potency on 5-6 gcd heals applying to 8 people each time. As a healer I don't give a hoot about an arcane crest ticking. After a raidwide if I know there is no further dmg coming I let the party tick up to full naturally. I do not need some crappy 50 pot hot. And if there IS another raidwide coming the hot will not be the deciding factor in healing it.

Also you can say what you want, yoshi P himself said the job is a selfish type dps. And this is further seen in the weaker raid buff of 3%, that is used to give the reaper a big hitting ability. And the weaker utility that is the self shield and tiny hot. Furthermore, the selfish dps samurai is the 2nd highest rdps job ))

Anyway yourself and others repeating the same nonsense in this thread have no clue. I would say to remove yourselves but that's wishful thinking. Here's to hoping the devs have a better clue than you ^^

You say you played healer but if you did you would know that no healer in its right mind would realistically ever cast 6 GCD heals back to back outside of fringe situations - they try to minimize their healing to as little as possible. Arcane crest ticks overall for 150 pot AOE whith no healer intervention needed what so ever. A 10% buff on 300 pot AOE heal from a healer is a 30 pot increase AOE.

Now you factor in that Mantra has a 90s CD vs arcane crests 30s so it can be used 3 times as much and its not even close.

It provides higher numbers, is more flexible and can be used multiple times as often. Its way better in almost every way.

As for selfish dps, you might want it to be a slefish dps but the fact is it provides a raidbuff so it just isnt and 3rd spot personal dps is what it deserved to be. It just isnt selfish in the same way a SAM is.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

You say you played healer but if you did you would know that no healer in its right mind would realistically ever cast 6 GCD heals back to back outside of fringe situations - they try to minimize their healing to as little as possible. Arcane crest ticks overall for 150 pot AOE whith no healer intervention needed what so ever. A 10% buff on 300 pot AOE heal from a healer is a 30 pot increase AOE.

Now you factor in that Mantra has a 90s CD vs arcane crests 30s so it can be used 3 times as much and its not even close.

It provides higher numbers, is more flexible and can be used multiple times as often. Its way better in almost every way.

As for selfish dps, you might want it to be a slefish dps but the fact is it provides a raidbuff so it just isnt and 3rd spot personal dps is what it deserved to be. It just isnt selfish in the same way a SAM is.

Any situation I can cover with ogcd healing I do not need the arcane crest to help me with. And I said in another post any utility either monk or reaper provide I can do without. The only one that has much practical use in SOME scenarios is mantra as there is times such as healing checks where you do in fact gcd heal esp if you are ykno A WHITE MAGE. In an ultimate where my party is getting ass blasted I would rather have a mantra up than a arcane crest thank you.

And how often do such mechanics happen that requires such heavy healing? Is it every 30 seconds? No. The arcane crest is a 10% shield that happens to have a little hot on it, it's not really that useful at all.

And again. You disproved nothing. A samurai that provides no party buff or utility is second highest on rdps and at the start of the tier it was at the very top. So selfish dps having lower rdps is nonsense, previously both BLM and SAM the two most selfish dps were topping rdps charts. So even after taking away all that dmg from the samurai it STILL is 2nd from top in Rdps and as I said it was nr 1 for a bit there.

Again Yoshi P said it will be more similar to samurai and the fact it has the weaker utility and raid buff shows they were trying for more selfish. They just didn't want total seflishness else it would clash with samurai.

[ChaozK]

And again. You disproved nothing. A samurai that provides no party buff or utility is second highest on rdps and at the start of the tier it was at the very top. So selfish dps having lower rdps is nonsense.

I didnt say selfish dps should have lower rdps i am saying being selfish only means you are supposed to have high personal dps not rdps. Which Reaper is 3rd at. So saying RPR being dead last as a selfish dps isnt a correct statement. Either it means you dont understand what selfish dps means or you dont undestand that RPR isnt dead last in personal dps.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I didnt say selfish dps should have lower rdps i am saying being selfish only means you are supposed to have high personal dps not rdps. Which Reaper is 3rd at. So saying RPR being dead last as a selfish dps isnt a correct statement. Either it means you dont understand what selfish dps means or you dont undestand that RPR isnt dead last in personal dps.

It's dead last where it matters. Personal dps is ok to look at but the reality is you always have your party. People are not going to go "oh well I suppose reaper is better on nDPS so I will take it over this other melee"
No, they are gonna see that reaper provides the least to the group and pick the samurai or monk if given the choice. Look how few reapers cleared week one compared to other melee.

"rDPS is great for showing how much damage you really contributed to the raid, For utility jobs like Dancer and Ninja, the metric depends on people making good use of your buffs, so some damage you contribute to the raid is out of your control.

nDPS is great for showing how well you executed your rotation. This allows, for example, Dancers and Ninjas, to see how well they did even if placed with underperforming partners or groups."

And if you think "selfish only means you are supposed to have high personal dps not rdps" why then is reaper not just behind a samurai? Why is the monk ahead of it when it is less selfish?

It is quite simple. If the samurai had high personal dps but the rdps was so much lower than its peers then people would not take it. They would take the job with the higher rdps. It HAS to have high ndps AND rdps to compete with the other jobs who bring damage and raid buff+utility.

The damage difference of a reaper compared to a samurai was very significant and noticeable week 1.

[Hawuhawuu]

Reaper was dominant at launch because it took no gear to top dps from absurd potencies. Of all the melees it has the lowest stat scaling. This was predicted this tier from how they fell off at bis. Its not an easy fix and wont be this patch cycle. The entire job needs a rework to benefit from stats on gear balanced against all content.

[ChaozK]

It is quite simple. If the samurai had high personal dps but the rdps was so much lower than its peers then people would not take it. They would take the job with the higher rdps. It HAS to have high ndps AND rdps to compete with the other jobs who bring damage and raid buff+utility.

Raid dps is personal dps combined with raidbuffs (mug littany circle aso are already included) so all jobs should have the same rdps unless they also provide utility. NIN DRG SAM have no utility, while RPR does. Which is why those 3 are slightly ahead.

MNK is an outlier and arguably overtuned.

To put it in other words it doesnt matter if you deal your raid dps through high personal dps like a SAM or mediocre personal dps and raidbuffs like a DRG - both of those should end up with the same raid dps. SAM is justified to have higher personal dps than a DRG but not higher raid dps.

Thats what some people really struggle to understand.