How SE is alienating talented players

[Murugan]

Drop rates are only too low when you cannot reasonably obtain them and get use of them in the time that the drops are relevant.

What do you think is replacing this stuff anytime soon, likely nothing in the next few patches. So suck it up, and realize this content is not meant to be zerged in a week but last you until they have more itemization.

My god you people are a bunch of a whiners, we finally get ANY ARMOR that is actually worth getting, and you whine and moan that it takes too long to get. Enjoy having something to actually look forward to in itemization, and be thankful maybe that you don't have to deal with stupid personal loot lists.

When they introduce content that has other items, or at least get close to releasing it, I'm sure they'll increase the drop rate significantly.

Until then maybe be a little glad you have something to do until 2.0 other than a Garuda primal fight and the legatus battle... Hell I would have appreciated having relevant gear from the roaming NM's from the day they were added until NOW. That would have given endgame shells sooooooooooo much more to do rather than ONE thing a patch.

Put a sock in it, you are obnoxious and no one cares that you can't get all the gear you want in two weeks.

Or you know what buy it on the MW with all that gil I'm sure you have saved up if you really play 14 hours+ a day, and spare us all the headache of listening to you bitch. Go do farming parties or something instead of dungeon and leave it to people who can actually do endgame content without having a conniption fit because "waaaaaaaaah we didn't get what we wanted".

[KiraAmane]

Drop rates are only too low when you cannot reasonably obtain them and get use of them in the time that the drops are relevant.

What do you think is replacing this stuff anytime soon, likely nothing in the next few patches. So suck it up, and realize this content is not meant to be zerged in a week but last you until they have more itemization.

My god you people are a bunch of a whiners, we finally get ANY ARMOR that is actually worth getting, and you whine and moan that it takes too long to get. Enjoy having something to actually look forward to in itemization, and be thankful maybe that you don't have to deal with stupid personal loot lists.

When they introduce content that has other items, or at least get close to releasing it, I'm sure they'll increase the drop rate significantly.

Until then maybe be a little glad you have something to do until 2.0 other than a Garuda primal fight and the legatus battle... Hell I would have appreciated having relevant gear from the roaming NM's from the day they were added until NOW. That would have given endgame shells sooooooooooo much more to do rather than ONE thing a patch.

Put a sock in it, you are obnoxious and no one cares that you can't get all the gear you want in two weeks.

Or you know what buy it on the MW with all that gil I'm sure you have saved up if you really play 14 hours+ a day, and spare us all the headache of listening to you bitch. Go do farming parties or something instead of dungeon and leave it to people who can actually do endgame content without having a conniption fit because "waaaaaaaaah we didn't get what we wanted".

First of all, triple melded armor is superior to the Heavy Darklight Gear. We've gone over the stats and benefits, and triple melded Sentinel Boots + Figthers Breechers >> Heavy Darklight Flancguard (yes, I have triple melded Sentinel Gear). Similarly, a case can be stated for helm+chest piece etc. The DD gear is pretty sexy though. Regardless, to say the gear is actually worth getting, sadly is not necessarily true. We are merely trying to obtain it, because it is the only thing to do in the game.

Second of all, no one is whining here. At all. In fact, I started by saying it was NOT a qq post, but a zzz post implying boredom and apathy, rather than whining. So please learn to read before throwing out rash generalizations about those posting.

And I am glad you are slowly working your way through the game, hoping to get gear. I wish you luck getting full sets of DL gear going about at a snails pace. But let's be clear: the only obnoxious thing here is people like you who haven't put in the time, and who have not suffered the time sinks and yet have the gall to post about us raiding linkshells.

And no I do not play 14+ hours a day. I actually study a lot and have a life. Once again people (i.e. YOU) need to read. I mentioned that we decided to go extremely hardcore this weekend given our free time. Why would I go form farming parties when as an End-Game LS all there is to do is AV/CC?

Honestly, I fail to understand why you bothered to post in this thread at all. It would've been fun if you trolled, but in reality, you really only gave us your opinion which, if you read the thread title, I did not ask for.

With regards to Viion, if you followed the dungeon thread, I was a big advocate for intricate, well designed, exploration dungeons. In fact, I honestly don't know where or why you started posting negatively to the thread. If anything, my thread was intended to call for proper dungeon design and to get rid of the silly drop rates. i.e. Bigger dungeon, more exploration, more bosses, progressive drops etc.

[viion]

With regards to Viion, if you followed the dungeon thread, I was a big advocate for intricate, well designed, exploration dungeons. In fact, I honestly don't know where or why you started posting negatively to the thread. If anything, my thread was intended to call for proper dungeon design and to get rid of the silly drop rates. i.e. Bigger dungeon, more exploration, more bosses, progressive drops etc.

If that is the case I completely misunderstood the purpose and read it wrong, I apologise.

It seemed to me the main focus was: Drop rates being low for those who speed run, with the attitude of wanting higher drop rates as a reward to speed run the dungeon.

[KiraAmane]

If that is the case I completely misunderstood the purpose and read it wrong, I apologise.

It seemed to me the main focus was: Drop rates being low for those who speed run, with the attitude of wanting higher drop rates as a reward to speed run the dungeon.

I think I wrote it thinking people read the other threads I posted in lol. I guess I am somewhat unhappy with the structure of the drop rate. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't, however the problem truly stems from the design of the dungeons. Which I believe we agree upon. Anyways, time to respond to this other guy more lol.

[Murugan]

First of all, triple melded armor is superior to the Heavy Darklight Gear. We've gone over the stats and benefits, and triple melded Sentinel Boots + Figthers Breechers >> Heavy Darklight Flancguard (yes, I have triple melded Sentinel Gear). Similarly, a case can be stated for helm+chest piece etc. The DD gear is pretty sexy though. Regardless, to say the gear is actually worth getting, sadly is not necessarily true. We are merely trying to obtain it, because it is the only thing to do in the game.

Second of all, no one is whining here. At all. In fact, I started by saying it was NOT a qq post, but a zzz post implying boredom and apathy, rather than whining. So please learn to read before throwing out rash generalizations about those posting.

And I am glad you are slowly working your way through the game, hoping to get gear. I wish you luck getting full sets of DL gear going about at a snails pace. But let's be clear: the only obnoxious thing here is people like you who haven't put in the time, and who have not suffered the time sinks and yet have the gall to post about us raiding linkshells.

And no I do not play 14+ hours a day. I actually study a lot and have a life. Once again people (i.e. YOU) need to read. I mentioned that we decided to go extremely hardcore this weekend given our free time. Why would I go form farming parties when as an End-Game LS all there is to do is AV/CC?

Honestly, I fail to understand why you bothered to post in this thread at all. It would've been fun if you trolled, but in reality, you really only gave us your opinion which, if you read the thread title, I did not ask for.

With regards to Viion, if you followed the dungeon thread, I was a big advocate for intricate, well designed, exploration dungeons. In fact, I honestly don't know where or why you started posting negatively to the thread. If anything, my thread was intended to call for proper dungeon design and to get rid of the silly drop rates. i.e. Bigger dungeon, more exploration, more bosses, progressive drops etc.

I love how "triple melded" crafted armor has all the stats of the following gear, and then some making it already useless and not worth getting:

Darklight Eyepatch
Darklight Corselet
Darklight Caligae
Darklight Boots
Blessed Ring
The earrings
The necklaces
Aubriest's Whisper
Heavy Darklight Gauntlets
Darklight Helm
Darklight Cowl


So you know... don't get it then since it is obviously all crap.

I'm gonna get it I guess, because well I think you maybe you might be off a little in your comparison.

Dzamael Darkhold's gear was pretty useless (at least until we could turn it in for GC points). Unless they add some really amazing new materia to a bunch of slots in 1.21a, I'm gonna go with many of the above items.

Here's the deal some of us at endgame enjoy rare drops, rather than make threads about how we played 14 hours and didn't get a drop we wanted

and who has ever heard of such a thing in an MMO!! The horror, I could never imagine playing a game for 14 hours did you almost die??? Do you have a 14 hour live stream recording I could watch, or could you at least please go into detail about your preparation for all of this so that I may learn about your grueling training regimen to accomplish such a herculean feat! Clearly you are some kind of god, please teach me your secrets because I could never accomplish such a feat!!!!! I have certainly never played an MMO or any game for over 12 hours on a weekend, I could only dream of such a feat. Unless I was between the ages of 4 and 80 I guess and had the physical stamina to sit upright in a chair for extended periods of time.

what we actually generally do instead of posting this thread is we join this thing called an endgame LS to solve the problem of rare loot. Then that endgame LS works together to get everyone in the linkshell the gear they want and distribute it as fast and fairly as they can.

It's just something we figured out over a decade ago, and I guess our thinking was that this was a better use of our time than starting a movement to show how unfairly we were being treated at the hands of the developers of a video game we played for fun. But no, now I'm sure you are right. You totally deserved those drops. This is a travesty of the highest order!!! SE should be ashamed of themselves, this is 2012 things are different you see, in today's world we have an iPhone that talks to us, and KiriAmane is an extremely important player who demands he/she stops being so clearly alienated for not getting the specific drop that he/she wanted.

I'll sign your petition to get you your gear post haste!

I am so very sorry for my original post, I didn't understand the important difference between a "QQ" and a "zzzzz" thread. I am so glad you have set me straight on that issue.

[Matsume]

Here's the deal some of us at endgame enjoy rare drops, rather than make threads about how we played 14 hours and didn't get a drop we wanted

and who has ever heard of such a thing in an MMO!! The horror, I could never imagine playing a game for 14 hours did you almost die??? Do you have a 14 hour live stream recording I could watch, or could you at least please go into detail about your preparation for all of this so that I may learn about your grueling training regimen to accomplish such a herculean feat! Clearly you are some kind of god, please teach me your secrets because I could never accomplish such a feat!!!!! I have certainly never played an MMO or any game for over 12 hours on a weekend, I could only dream of such a feat. Unless I was between the ages of 4 and 80 I guess and had the physical stamina to sit upright in a chair for extended periods of time.

what we actually generally do instead of posting this thread is we join this thing called an endgame LS to solve the problem of rare loot. Then that endgame LS works together to get everyone in the linkshell the gear they want and distribute it as fast and fairly as they can.

It's just something we figured out over a decade ago, and I guess our thinking was that this was a better use of our time than starting a movement to show how unfairly we were being treated at the hands of the developers of a video game we played for fun. But no, now I'm sure you are right. You totally deserved those drops. This is a travesty of the highest order!!! SE should be ashamed of themselves, this is 2012 things are different you see, in today's world we have an iPhone that talks to us, and KiriAmane is an extremely important player who demands he/she stops being so clearly alienated for not getting the specific drop that he/she wanted.

I'll sign your petition to get you your gear post haste!

I am so very sorry for my original post, I didn't understand the important difference between a "QQ" and a "zzzzz" thread. I am so glad you have set me straight on that issue.

O_O

*Puts popcorn in the microwave*

Please, go on...

[Madruk]

First of all, triple melded armor is superior to the Heavy Darklight Gear. We've gone over the stats and benefits, and triple melded Sentinel Boots + Figthers Breechers >> Heavy Darklight Flancguard (yes, I have triple melded Sentinel Gear). Similarly, a case can be stated for helm+chest piece etc. The DD gear is pretty sexy though. Regardless, to say the gear is actually worth getting, sadly is not necessarily true. We are merely trying to obtain it, because it is the only thing to do in the game.

How did you come to this conclusion? Sentinel BP and helm suck. What are you going to put on the helm, triple mind? You'd have to double/triple meld the bp in defense alone just to come up with the same defense the heavy has, not to mention all the other stats. The heavy gauntlets are the equiv of a 7 meld.

I'll agree with the flanchard though. It looks good but I think I'd rather wear even a double meld pants/boots.

[Matsume]

Drop rates are only too low when you cannot reasonably obtain them and get use of them in the time that the drops are relevant.

What do you think is replacing this stuff anytime soon, likely nothing in the next few patches. So suck it up, and realize this content is not meant to be zerged in a week but last you until they have more itemization.

My god you people are a bunch of a whiners, we finally get ANY ARMOR that is actually worth getting, and you whine and moan that it takes too long to get. Enjoy having something to actually look forward to in itemization, and be thankful maybe that you don't have to deal with stupid personal loot lists.

When they introduce content that has other items, or at least get close to releasing it, I'm sure they'll increase the drop rate significantly.

Until then maybe be a little glad you have something to do until 2.0 other than a Garuda primal fight and the legatus battle... Hell I would have appreciated having relevant gear from the roaming NM's from the day they were added until NOW. That would have given endgame shells sooooooooooo much more to do rather than ONE thing a patch.

Put a sock in it, you are obnoxious and no one cares that you can't get all the gear you want in two weeks.

Or you know what buy it on the MW with all that gil I'm sure you have saved up if you really play 14 hours+ a day, and spare us all the headache of listening to you bitch. Go do farming parties or something instead of dungeon and leave it to people who can actually do endgame content without having a conniption fit because "waaaaaaaaah we didn't get what we wanted".

lul /10char