How SE is alienating talented players

[Pharacelcus]

Lmao, I can send you pictures of the girl I took home last night if you want too.

My RL = your final fantasy.

i was actually agreeing with you throughout the thread up until that point.
i read around quit a bit, but just had to make an account on here to say that was easily the douchiest thing i've ever seen on these forums.

but yeah, all the luck/no luck stuff aside. this content is intended to be a timesink and unfortunatly we're buying it.
not enjoying the low reward, but it beats sitting in town.

[Asiaine]

This is not a QQ post, more of a ZZZ post.

Just wondering how many of the "elite" players/LSes are just fed up with CC and AV speed runs/ the game in general.

We have been farming CC on the regular to being with, but this weekend we decided to go non-stop, periodically. We have just done 25-30 speed runs in the past day and a half a row and got ZERO Darklight gear. Meanwhile, random people are getting drops on non-speed runs.

There seems to be something wrong with this reward system. You complete the dungeon faster than 95% of the people, get no drops, then have to wait 15 minutes just to re-enter. Anyone think that wins should be automatic reentry with the abysmal drop rates they have? Three of our LS members, who are madly in love with the game, over the past two days have grown to hate the game. Clearly something is wrong with this picture.

1 DD curiass, 3 heavy DL gloves, 1 DL dd boots in 85-100 runs (I lost track). A majority of them being speed runs. Mathematically speaking, that's absurd.

Hello,

I sympathize with your frustration, and I can understand it to some extent. But would like to draw out the following points:

1) You are killing your own fun. Any activity, no matter how fun, if done to excess, will become unfun. I love cookiees, but if I eat 1000/day, I won't so much. To retain the 'fun' do not kill the 'fun' by excess.
2) As you have shown, there is no benefit from doing it 5 times a night, versus 30 times a night. Unless you are on a timeline (where you HAVE to get the Darklight gear before 1.22 or you will be eaten by Gobbuee), then I have to ask what's the hurry?
3) You are correct, I do not see the need to wait 15 minutes to re-enter IF you complete the whole dungeon. It makese sense for non-completion (to prevent farming the first chest for example). Reducing to 5 minutes should be plenty (and good time for organized 'breaks').

Although the gear is lovely and pretty, *I* believe it is nothing to be obsessed over, or to cause frustration over. Also, I believe the gear is MEANT to be very hard (and annoying) to get so as to help their exclusivitiy. It is 'nice' to have something that is so rare and exclusive that if anyone sees you with it, they will be shocked and amazed. Perhaps this is one of those items?

In the mean time, may I humbly suggest the following:
Do the DH/DH2/CC runs because you enjoy them.
If you get a prize at the end, yaaay, be happy.
If not, no biggy, you had some time out with friends.

[Lstkaws]

Rofl, I was hoping my last line would emphasize my troll status. But if you took it seriously then I have nothing to say lol. But super serial, I probably am the coolest guy you don't know.

On topic: I do like the idea of speed run gets a boosted drop rate. I don't want 100% like DH. But something better than the 0% we've had this weekend lol.

Damn, trolling went right over my head. Nicely done!

[KiraAmane]

i was actually agreeing with you throughout the thread up until that point.
i read around quit a bit, but just had to make an account on here to say that was easily the douchiest thing i've ever seen on these forums.

but yeah, all the luck/no luck stuff aside. this content is intended to be a timesink and unfortunatly we're buying it.
not enjoying the low reward, but it beats sitting in town.

Apparently I can't troll my own thread. It's the most fun I've had in a while -_-

Also back on topic: I have to agree that "farming" inherently implies a loss of fun. But there really isn't much else to do other than CC and AV. So I'll just suck it up and keep on, keeping on.

[Denmo]

Troll thread is troll thread?

... why?

Edit: And in response to the true topic discussion:

Oh the woes of the endgame FFXIV player~

[DyskoFox]

3 days of hardcore cutters no darklight drops... Really? We have done easily 15+ runs a day if not 20+ since our ls has multiple groups running at a time.

[Denmo]

3 days of hardcore cutters no darklight drops... Really? We have done easily 15+ runs a day if not 20+ since our ls has multiple groups running at a time.

My E-Peen doth be larger than your E-Peen~

[DyskoFox]

My E-Peen doth be larger than your E-Peen~

I love you.

Your text style leaves me speechless please please bed me! For I cannot help but wilt in your arms when you type in such text.

I bow to your greatness sir. Please do not e-peen t-bag me for I am not worthy.

+1

[Raikki]

Totally agree about the burnout problem, and the lockout comments. I think their decision to "let people play however they want" via insignificant lockout timers has backfired. They've balanced the drop rate to prevent hardcore farmers from getting the gear too fast, but in the process they screwed everybody else and are burning out the hardcore farmers.

I don't know what the perfect fix is, but I'll toss out a suggestion: "Raid Allowances" (please don't hurt me). Give every player a raid allowance resource that they can spend to initiate a raid. You could have raid entry cost 2 points and refund 1 point for a loss or something, but the general idea is to let players retain flexibility of raid scheduling while controlling the amount of raid farming taking place. Managing the amount of farming allows for much less punishing drop rates and lets SE retain control over how fast gear is obtained. It also lets people grind out several clears in a row without a lockout timer and nobody has to sit around waiting. Schedule in advance with your LS when you want to burn through your raid allowances and do it.

I'm not saying this is the answer, I'm just saying I think there are a lot of other ways for SE to manage endgame content and loot rates that are preferable to what we have now. I really don't want to see our current system remain the FF14 standard, certainly not at these drop rates.

[KiraAmane]

I am liking all the troll comments by the way. +1 for dayz.

On topic: I like your idea Raikki. I think that may work. But honestly, I don't have a sure fire solution myself. I just want to feel rewarded when finishing the dungeon. Because, I figure that's what it all boils down to.