SAM is dead

[RyuuZero]

You are seeing a pattern, good for you, what I'm saying is that your argument that Sam is becoming like Dragoon is false, because at first we only had Gurren anyway. Unless you are wanting to admit to say that Samurai in 4.0 was like Dragoon ?
That would be a bold stance to hold.
Senei was already button bloat at the time, since it was exactly like Gurren but Single target, and gurren got nerfed.
Shoha is what it is, a filler. Shoha 2 is a useless variant.

"My Point is that every new Resource gave the Samurai a New Skill that got Expanded upon a New Expansion to accommondate the other Situation in combat."

It's absolutely false. Existing skills got changed and nerfed to create new versions of them. Samurai changed to be like it is now, and as such reverting it back won't harm the job too badly.

okay.. let's take a Look at Guren:
Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 500 for the first enemy, and 25% less for all remaining enemies.

okay, let's look at Geirskogul:
Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 260 for the first enemy, and 30% less for all remaining enemies.

to be fair the potencies, fall off and cool down varies. but outside of that it's the same skill! The Catch is that Guren shares the cool down with Senei as Single Target alternative, a thing that the Dragoon doesn't have! You really want to take this Uniqueness Away from Samurai? to be honest, it's the thing with Shoha. Shoha II is your AoE Option to utilize in AoE Situations.. or are you one of those Players who Single Target Combo in Trash mobs?

[Deithwen]

okay.. let's take a Look at Guren:
Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 500 for the first enemy, and 25% less for all remaining enemies.

okay, let's look at Geirskogul:
Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 260 for the first enemy, and 30% less for all remaining enemies.

to be fair the potencies, fall off and cool down varies. but outside of that it's the same skill! The Catch is that Guren shares the cool down with Senei as Single Target alternative, a thing that the Dragoon doesn't have! You really want to take this Uniqueness Away from Samurai? to be honest, it's the thing with Shoha. Shoha II is your AoE Option to utilize in AoE Situations.. or are you one of those Players who Single Target Combo in Trash mobs?

Can you at least make the slightest effort to actually reply to my points?
Gurren was the big Kenki spender in SB, it serverd the same purpose as Senei. It's absolutely the same, except we now have two buttons and a nerfed Gurren.
Gurren is not Geirskogul. The latter is almost always used on CD and serves a very different purpose : entering life of the dragon. Before that it was a spender that would reduce your Blood of the Dragon timer.

They could simply revert Gurren to its original state, that would not make Sam a dragoon.

Your only argument is that "it's an attack in a line", which is extremely weak.

And all this non sense to say what ? "Noo I don't like your proposed Sam changes to address the buitton bloat". Change your tune a bit, it's completely off.

[RyuuZero]

Can you at least make the slightest effort to actually reply to my points?
Gurren was the big Kenki spender in SB, it serverd the same purpose as Senei. It's absolutely the same, except we now have two buttons and a nerfed Gurren.
Gurren is not Geirskogul. The latter is almost always used on CD and serves a very different purpose : entering life of the dragon. Before that it was wa spender that would reduce your Blood of the Dragon timer.

They could simply revert Gurren to its original state, that would not make Sam a dragoon.

Your only argument is that "it's an attack in a line", which is extremely weak.

And all this non sense to say what ? "Noo I don't like your proposed Sam changes to address the buitton bloat". Change your tune a bit, it's completely off.

Is it though? the Kenki Spender Arguement while true can be disregarded through Ikishoten.. in my opinion, since Ikishoten and Guren share the 2minute cool down
practically you have no Kenki, you press Ikishoten and follow up with Guren (or Senei, in single Target Situations)

the "Devlievers an attack.."-Texts aren't an arguement, they are copied texts from the Job Guide ^^

you guys are just flailing around without having a firm understanding of what your suggested change have for consequences to the Feel of the Job, You loved Samurai before 6.1, right? So do I, but again Kaiten wasn't the only thing that gave the Samurai it's Identity. Your Suggestions of merging skills other is in my opinion concerning, since I look at other Jobs (mainly Dragoon) and see what you're suggesting.. of course I ask "So you want it to be like Dragoon?", and as a Samurai Player of course I oppose this stance.

[Deithwen]

Is it though? the Kenki Spender Arguement while true can be disregarded through Ikishoten.. in my opinion, since Ikishoten and Guren share the 2minute cool down
practically you have no Kenki, you press Ikishoten and follow up with Guren (or Senei, in single Target Situations)

the "Devlievers an attack.."-Texts aren't an arguement, they are copied texts from the Job Guide ^^

you guys are just flailing around without having a firm understanding of what your suggested change have for consequences to the Feel of the Job, You loved Samurai before 6.1, right? So do I, but again Kaiten wasn't the only thing that gave the Samurai it's Identity. Your Suggestions of merging skills other is in my opinion concerning, since I look at other Jobs (mainly Dragoon) and see what you're suggesting.. of course I ask "So you want it to be like Dragoon?", and as a Samurai Player of course I oppose this stance.

Then you argue that Samurai was like dragoon in SB ?

[RyuuZero]

Then you argue that Samurai was like dragoon in SB ?

xDD no, though.. I'd say SB was still Honeymoon for Samurai and it felt good to play (even though I disliked the Notion of Hagakure over Midare), I'd say they were similar skills and back then I didn't predict Senei and we didn't know the direction Samurai will take in regards of Skill additions, after Shadowbringers it becomes more clear^^
but I can't really remember how DRG played in SB..
I'll admit I'd had good laugh with that question^^

[Deithwen]

xDD no, though.. I'd say SB was still Honeymoon for Samurai and it felt good to play (even though I disliked the Notion of Hagakure over Midare), I'd say they were similar skills and back then I didn't predict Senei and we didn't know the direction Samurai will take in regards of Skill additions, after Shadowbringers it becomes more clear^^
but I can't really remember how DRG played in SB..
I'll admit I'd had good laugh with that question^^

Then how reverting Gurren to what it was will make Sam be like Dragoon then ?
Also it was not a question, but merely a remark. It is quite clear your stance is very bold to hold, because it's not grounded.

[RyuuZero]

Then how reverting Gurren to what it was will make Sam be like Dragoon then ?
Also it was not a question, but merely a remark. It is quite clear your stance is very bold to hold, because it's not grounded.

reverting Guren would mean to disregard the Evolution that the Samurai had up to this point, getting rid of Senei would open the floodgates of getting rid of Shoha and suddenly we have no Single Target Option to this stuff, just like the Dragoon.
my Stance is that Endwalker Launch Samurai up to 6.08 was Great, do you oppose this opinion?

[Deithwen]

Is it though? the Kenki Spender Arguement while true can be disregarded through Ikishoten.. in my opinion, since Ikishoten and Guren share the 2minute cool down
practically you have no Kenki, you press Ikishoten and follow up with Guren (or Senei, in single Target Situations)

the "Devlievers an attack.."-Texts aren't an arguement, they are copied texts from the Job Guide ^^

you guys are just flailing around without having a firm understanding of what your suggested change have for consequences to the Feel of the Job, You loved Samurai before 6.1, right? So do I, but again Kaiten wasn't the only thing that gave the Samurai it's Identity. Your Suggestions of merging skills other is in my opinion concerning, since I look at other Jobs (mainly Dragoon) and see what you're suggesting.. of course I ask "So you want it to be like Dragoon?", and as a Samurai Player of course I oppose this stance.

Also being called out for not having a firm grasp of a job I mained for years since its released and pushed to the max is quite rich coming from you. What are your credentials in the game to say such things ?