Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Pip_Chick]

Imagine if there was actually gear made in mind for the various tailed races with adornments like that.

I would die! The only thing that comes kind of close to that I think it is a dragoon set that puts the tail in a dragon tail, don't know exactly which one it is, but I know there is one.

[SturmChurro]

I would die! The only thing that comes kind of close to that I think it is a dragoon set that puts the tail in a dragon tail, don't know exactly which one it is, but I know there is one.

There are a few, yeah. At least one of the EW artifact sets has something like it as well, although I think it was shown for all races.

[Pip_Chick]

There are a few, yeah. At least one of the EW artifact sets has something like it as well, although I think it was shown for all races.

Yeah, it looks very cool! I hope they will do something like that in the future for other jobs as well! I think it would look good on Dancer!

[reivaxe]

This gonna be long, but this perked my interest. Not trying to argue, just had some interesting observation lol

I hope they won't make them too humanoid, that would destroy the female beast race fantasy or curse us with "Cats" the movie in FFXIV. Which is a big NOPE from me!

I think a major misconception that I see a lot is the thought that you either get "Cats" (AKA, humans with forehead ears and CGI fur) or you get Khajiit (AKA, full on animal head slapped on a human body, no cares given about art style and making a balance between human and animal face features).
That's not the case, there are countless styles and degrees to making anthros and Hrothgar are already an example of that. With a few changes, you can make the females more well-balanced than the dudes, who were designed to not even account for hair sharing between their OWN faces.

Like Loporitt, no one looks at a Loporitt and thinks, "This is a HUMAN face!" ... but they also don't think it's a realistic depiction of a rabbit's face. It's clearly a stylized anima/ beastl face, and given their head/ face shape is similar to Lala with a Wide/ vertical forehead, they would 100% not have the problems Hrothgar males have with getting shared hair to work on them. Like, look at this ... can't even get the hairline to touch the head in some styles.

I don't want to sacrifice the snout! Especially since every 3D modeller knows the true issue with Hrothgar is not their head, but the neck!

Hrothgar males have a number of problem areas. Yes, their hunch and neck attachment position are major problems. But the fact that they were designed to have 4 extremely different head shapes (cause they were never designed to share hair) and very sloped foreheads makes retroactively giving them shared hair problematic af on the bases of just connecting the hairline to the skull properly alone. From a design pov, making a more vertical forehead may mean lessening the "snout" some for balance, but it doesn't mean it goes away.

Would my request make Female Hrothgar just as limited as the Male? Yes! But it was the same thing with the Male Viera, they had the same limits as the Females and you didn't see the devs just getting the Midlander model and putting bunny ears in the same place as Miquo'tes.

There's a difference between "Just as limited" and "Just as BAD looking". Viera males may not be able to wear hats that the female's can't, but their shared hair looks noticeably better on them because the devs designed their faces/ heads to use shared hair from the beginning. They don't suffer from the Fivehead (Or dare I say SIXhead) look that the females seem to have when shared hair doesn't have bangs. Everyone playing a female Viera knows that they get a huge forehead with some of these no-bangs shared styles, which is why so many were RED with anger when trying the first batch of hair in 6.0.

They actually went and made a great model for the males that, when put side by side with a female, look like they are from the same species!
So why can't we? Why must the beast race be another human waifu instead of a cool big lion lady? Why must WE be the ones who lose on racial elements like snouts, and for what?

This is kinda loaded, but ... seems like people generally mistake "hypermasculine" features for being "Beast (Animal)" features. Looking at every non-lala race in the game ... it seems clear that any female they make will not be as imposing as the dudes, they will be softer and feminine. Doesn't mean that they won't look animal or that they won't have a snout or that they're now anime waifues/ Miqote2.0.

From a design standpoint, Hrothgar were made to have Beastly face features alongside Human face features. They're not "Khajiit", the devs didn't slap a reg old cat head on a body. They made them a blend so that they could show expressions/ emotes, look appealing and not be completely deleted from headgear.

I'm a visual person and know it may be hard for others to grasp design terms, so I made an example ...

So after that, I decided to take a look at the most imposing males in the game and see how different the females look. Yes, I did try to pick the most imposing female faces ... Femroe face 2 is the only one that doesn't look like a reg woman with a bad case of Cheese wedge nose, and she still looks far, FAR softer and less imposing than Roebros. Highlander females don't look like UwU anime girls, but they def don't look like 1920s criminals like the dudes.

That's why I was taken aback by the midjourney AI art, it looks about right in my book. Replaces the masculine human features with feminine human features, but keeps all the cat features.

[Yencat]

Viera males may not be able to wear hats that the female's can't, but their shared hair looks noticeably better on them because the devs designed their faces/ heads to use shared hair from the beginning. They don't suffer from the Fivehead (Or dare I say SIXhead) look that the females seem to have when shared hair doesn't have bangs.

They definitely do though lol

[Pip_Chick]

This gonna be long...

I see what you mean, putting it into a visual perspective definitely helps. The Midjourney AI art, might not be an interpretation that I would like, but that is mostly because of the art style itself, I am aware that it would look better in the FFXIV style. I see what you mean about the females being more softer than the males (P.S the joke about the Male Highlander did get a chuckle out of me), but I think you misinterpreted what I meant, don't blame you since English is not my first language some things may be lost in translation or the way I say it might not make sense and I apologise for that. But I did not mean to say I want masculine/rugged or all and all imposing. Their lore says that they are queens (due to Bozja we know more about the Queen and her handmaidens, as well as from Misija's ancestor field notes we learn more about their culture of beauty, dance, star readings and leadership) and Astrologians (star reading). So I expect them to be more elegant and Royal. Their face/head can be made to look soft and still keep them looking like Hrothgar. The thing about the Cats the movie and Miquo'te 2.0, is more of what I have seen people joke about, but for me, that is a good possibility due to the bad habit of devs making male beasts look really wild and cool, but when it comes to females they always must fall in a conventionally attractive box, sometimes that includes taking away their racial features to accomplish this.
I gave as an example 4Story's beast race. You can pretty much see what I mean when I say, I don't want them to look like a small UwU anime girl. I just want them to be able to stand side-by-side with their male counterparts and look like they are from the same species.

I will add an image of the Beast race in 4Story, just to clarify what I mean.
Male:

Female:

[reivaxe]

They definitely do though lol

That's a problem with the hairstyles, not the head.
It's just as 5headed on Middie males. Compare them to a better hairline having hairstyle ...

I gave as an example 4Story's beast race. You can pretty much see what I mean when I say, I don't want them to look like a small UwU anime girl. I just want them to be able to stand side-by-side with their male counterparts and look like they are from the same species.

I will add an image of the Beast race in 4Story, just to clarify what I mean.
Male:

Female:

Sorry, I prob misunderstood something on my part, or got too trigger happy (because I see a LOT of people think that anything other than "a slightly softer version of this hypermasculine male face" is just "Miqote 2!!!" ).
I hear ya.

male viera got the 9 head with most the generic hair styles just give me Thancred hw hair already

Male Viera were made to have the same head shape as Male Middies.
If it looks good on a Middie, it's gonna look good on them.
(Which is pretty much my point, instead of going as far as they did with the females on making the knoggin different, they just made sure they took what worked and based it on that.
IIRC they even changed Female Viera's head shape slightly for 6.0 when they gave them the shared hair to make them look better on them, just like they did to Hrothgar.)

[Duskane]

male viera got the 9 head with most the generic hair styles just give me Thancred hw hair already

[Yencat]

That's a problem with the hairstyles, not the head.
It's just as 5headed on Middie males. Compare them to a better hairline having hairstyle ...

Yes, if you pick a hairstyle that doesn't have a fivehead it won't have a fivehead... The same is true for female Viera though? The fivehead ones just looks worse on Viera, both male and female, it's a very common complaint so the idea that they were made with that in mind doesn't ring true.

I don't know what exactly Midjourney AI is but that looks like a mouse or some other rodent, not a cat. But maybe that was the point?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't know what exactly Midjourney AI is but that looks like a mouse or some other rodent, not a cat. But maybe that was the point?

Lol I think its that thing going around: Computer Generated Art.
And, I agree, it looks more rodent then Feline, definitely not a good contender for a Female Hrothgar Render.