Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Pip_Chick]

Well, they said they looked at quite a bit of fan art before starting work on male Viera, so it's very possible they've seen Karmaho's female Hrothgar art too.

It seemed decently popular and well-received on here at least?

I pray to whatever God will hear me that this will happen cause I love Karmaho's interpretation and having that would be a dream come true for me!

[CidHeiral]

On the other hand though if they already know they'd be on the lower end of the popularity scale, which is something they've actually said don't they consider a top priority when designing races

They also said they went with the submissive tiny waifu Au Ra instead of the badass dragon lady concept art after considering what is popular with the player base, so I wouldn't take their more recent comments as assurance of anything. I certainly hope they don't repeat that mistake. Personally I would love something along the lines of that female Kimahri fanart.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

They also said they went with the submissive tiny waifu Au Ra instead of the badass dragon lady concept art after considering what is popular with the player base, so I wouldn't take their more recent comments as assurance of anything. I certainly hope they don't repeat that mistake. Personally I would love something along the lines of that female Kimahri fanart.

I dont consider the Tiny adorable AuRa we have now over the Cool Dragon Ladies we didn get a Mistake.
Its unfortunate, but hey, the end result is very popular. Im not sure if AuRa and Viera tie or which one is more popular because I see quite alot of them next to the Miqote.

Now, if FemHroths get cute tiny Female counterparts....THAY would be a mistake.
Especially if they have human-ish faces. I still pray to the Tweleve, maybe next year is when the Next Expansion Hype and Promos should happen, and I hope with FemHroths reveal...we wont be kicked in the teeth and they wuss out on the Females.

[Pip_Chick]

I dont consider the Tiny adorable AuRa we have now over the Cool Dragon Ladies we didn get a Mistake.
Its unfortunate, but hey, the end result is very popular. Im not sure if AuRa and Viera tie or which one is more popular because I see quite alot of them next to the Miqote.

Now, if FemHroths get cute tiny Female counterparts....THAY would be a mistake.
Especially if they have human-ish faces. I still pray to the Tweleve, maybe next year is when the Next Expansion Hype and Promos should happen, and I hope with FemHroths reveal...we wont be kicked in the teeth and they wuss out on the Females.

Same here, I don't see the Au'ra we got as a failure or mistake. They give diversity and that is what matters, diversity = options; options = good.
Now, I don't personally like them and see them as too childlike for my taste, but hey, to each their own. The thing is that we have a lot of female flavours:
-Midlander = The normal person
-Highlander = The hyper-enthusiastic Jock
-Elezen = The well-behaved/regal person
-Lalafell = The small and young
-Miquo'te = The ditzy, forever happy girly girl
-Au'Ra = The small and soft anime waifu
-Roegadin = The muscular body-builder (totally not thirsting over them btw, you can't prove anything)
-Viera = The well-behaved supermodel
-Hrothgar should fill in the spot of the warrior. The warrior demands respect! And being a beast race that would be a pretty hard thing to screw up since their species already looks like a society of warriors. That is one thing that we are missing, that "Archetype" if you will.
So if they were to make them small and cute that would be a travesty and a complete disregard for what the fans of the race want. Although the mural and artwork, even if they are early concepts, both have 1 thing in common and that is their height, they are slightly shorter and less muscular than female Roe. So we can assume that that is their silhouette at least.

[CidHeiral]

Same here, I don't see the Au'ra we got as a failure or mistake. They give diversity and that is what matters, diversity = options; options = good.

The Au Ra we got are just Miqo'te 2.0. Actual diversity would have been adding the badass version because even now your options are quite limited if you want to play a female race in FFXIV but don't want to be "cute."

To be clear I don't begrudge people who enjoy the current Au Ra, to each their own, but I also don't think the game needed yet another female race like that. The devs could add endless waifu races and they would all be very popular but that doesn't bring in people who would otherwise not play the game. It's the same reason Yoship said they added a beastial race "for the long-term health of FFXIV."

[reivaxe]

Yes, everyone except Roes and Lala's share a modified Midlander body, which is what I said. Beyond having humanoid heads (which everyone except Hrothgar has) I asked if you have anything to back up the idea that male Viera heads are somehow modified male Midlander heads to the point that what looks good on one would look good on another, despite several hairstyles looking different on either of them.

What do you mean "to the point"? It takes less modification to stick closer to a something's base shape than it does to make something wholly different that requires you redo it to try to give it the same functions as the base shape. Got literal confirmation from YP that they had to alter both Hrothgar and Viera female heads to allow for shared hair but didn't have to bother with that for MV as they were made with this in mind and I've shown you comparison pics, want another random hairstyle? You've shown and said nothing beyond "Nuh uh..".

To recap, you claim that they're just as 5headed on just as many hairs as the females by posting a pic ... I show that those hairs look just as bad on male mids and show that their head shapes are very close to male mids. You claim everything is based on mids anyway, I point out that though that's true, not everything looks or fits the same on everyone just because they're all mid mods (as someone who played Femroe for years, I can tell you that they sure AF don't wear most gear as well as Middies).

I've played every female in this game and can show you a legit example of this with hair. Here, this is one of those hairstyles that look like shat on Miqote females. Why is it that the hairstyle looks fine on every other female (including Draggos), but not Miqote? Prob because Miqote have a unique head shape among the base races in a game that didn't have shared hairs (even required you to pay RL money to change hair) and IIRC this hairstyle was one of the first shared hairs added in the 2.0 hair batch patch. Prob also because their ears are part of their hair AND the inner ear is its own thing that's connected to the head, making such short styles problematic to handle. Either way, they clearly take Miqote heads into account now, even though we can still clearly see that some old hairstyles on them don't work as well as others. Miqote are the reason I'm sure we will never ever get a mohawk, it simply wouldn't work on them.

But I see that you don't have anything beyond "trust me, because they look basically the same", your usual condescension, and trying to take a swipe at... I guess Zanarkand-Ronso? I don't know if Sturm has strong opinions on female Hrothgar beyond saying what you posted looks like a rat, so I'll leave you to it.

You've offered literally nothing other than your anecdotal of "trust me, I got my finger on the pulse of Male Viera players!", I've actually shown pics and examples. And Zan became the reason I stopped posting the handful of actual Hrothgal fan-art here in favor of just posting furry art. Because I'd hate to take someone's art from elsewhere online who actually plays this game, post it here, and have them possibly come here to see someone trash it for not being what they like when they didn't bother posting it here. You all prove to be strangely defensive about what you want, my goal in this thread has always been theorizing about what I think the devs will actually do over what I personally want and sharing in the interest of people who like the idea of Hrothgals..

Anyway, if you paid more attention to these post, you'd see you missed the point by a mile and a half...

Well, they said they looked at quite a bit of fan art before starting work on male Viera ...

The problem with trying to apply MV logic to Hrothgals is that MV had tons of fan art and fan demand swirling around them. Everyone assumes that Hrothgals would just be furry faced femroe, the least appealing female in the game, so there's been far far less hype or faaaaar less art for them. Even to this day there's very lil fan art of them, with most people being content pointing at the Gender swap Ronso/ Official female Ronso art/ Bless cats and going "That, probable".
We all know we're only getting Female Hrothgar because of how hard MV fans went, to the point where YP even had to address their desire for certain body types. They're not comparable in this sense.

Same here, I don't see the Au'ra we got as a failure or mistake. They give diversity and that is what matters, diversity = options; options = good.

Seeing this forum's reaction to Au Ra is pretty much why I give very little stock to what I read here. Female Au Ra are the 2nd most poplar females, only 2nd to Miqote, yet people will still try to bash them here (which is strange, given the race was introduced with a Female NPC. We knew what the females looked like body wise before the males).

I too wished they were tall at the time when they were revealed alongside the dudes. But I got over that a long time ago, if SE wants to make a JPop idol female and people enjoy it then that's all that matters in my book. I value people's enjoyment over trying to fight against every form of sexual dimorphism, and player characters in MMOs are the one times when you gotta really take that into account, as it's a huge and permanent investment for something with finite resources.

The Au Ra we got are just Miqo'te 2.0. Actual diversity would have been adding the badass version because even now your options are quite limited if you want to play a female race in FFXIV but don't want to be "cute."

I wouldn't call Thighlanders/ Elezen/ Femroe/ Viera "cute".
Half the females in the game are not smoll-cute-waifu types. I'm fairly sure the only reason people think there's more "cute" options is because, besides Viera, all the tall and non-cute females are bottom barrel unpopular, so you rarely see them.

[Yencat]

I'll gladly continue talking to you about Viera fiveheads in a more appropriate thread.

And Zan became the reason I stopped posting the handful of actual Hrothgal fan-art here in favor of just posting furry art. Because I'd hate to take someone's art from elsewhere online who actually plays this game, post it here, and have them possibly come here to see someone trash it for not being what they like when they didn't bother posting it here. You all prove to be strangely defensive about what you want, my goal in this thread has always been theorizing about what I think the devs will actually do over what I personally want and sharing in the interest of people who like the idea of Hrothgals..

Beyond a passing curiosity in what they might look like I'm really not all that interested in female Hrothgar so I'm not sure who you mean by "you all" getting defensive about what I/we want since I haven't really expressed much of anything beyond agreeing they should look like they're the same species and they shouldn't look like housecats to the male Hrothgars big cats? I doubt I'd be playing one regardless and as such don't participate in this thread much, but I assume I'm still allowed an opinion.

2/3 pieces of AI art you posted didn't fit the bill of looking like the same species in my opinion, I only brought up that I wasn't the only person that thought those didn't look feline because you insisted I must be confusing feminine features for a rodent, or that I don't actually know what lion ears or feline features look like.

I don't see how your personal vendetta with Zanarkand-Ronso has anything to do with them (and Sturm also) saying they also felt they looked more rodent than feline, unless you think because Zanarkand wants something different from you their opinion is completely worthless? In any case it came across as very petty.

The problem with trying to apply MV logic to Hrothgals is that MV had tons of fan art and fan demand swirling around them. Everyone assumes that Hrothgals would just be furry faced femroe, the least appealing female in the game, so there's been far far less hype or faaaaar less art for them. Even to this day there's very lil fan art of them, with most people being content pointing at the Gender swap Ronso/ Official female Ronso art/ Bless cats and going "That, probable".
We all know we're only getting Female Hrothgar because of how hard MV fans went, to the point where YP even had to address their desire for certain body types. They're not comparable in this sense.

Okay, but I never said they are comparable in that sense.

Pip_Chick likes Karmaho's take on female Hrothgar and hopes they look similar to that, Karmaho's art has been posted here and on their Twitter, I said they looked at fan art before starting work on male Viera so there's a decent chance they will have seen that art too. The volume of art has very little to do with it, if anything it makes it more likely they've actually seen it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

My goodness. I had no idea someone hated me THIS much over a personal opinion, that it would bleed THIS hard onto other people, and over a different discussion about hair
LMAO

Also, my opinion over my wishes of how I think HrothGirls should look, should have no baring over you posting more fanart.
Im just a human being, No Way Im that scary lol

[Pip_Chick]

My goodness. I had no idea someone hated me THIS much over a personal opinion, that it would bleed THIS hard onto other people, and over a different discussion about hair
LMAO

Also, my opinion over my wishes of how I think HrothGirls should look, should have no baring over you posting more fanart.
Im just a human being, No Way Im that scary lol

I can attest to that, I have posted some fan art that I made in this thread and Zanarkand-Ronso never threatened or belittle me for my opinion. At worst they said they liked the art but hoped they will look like X. Which is not scary, but more of a disagreement in taste.
Unless you think Karmaho's interpretation of Female Hrothgar is wrong. In which case your opinion is wrong! /jk

[SturmChurro]

Unless you think Karmaho's interpretation of Female Hrothgar is wrong. In which case your opinion is wrong! /jk

Are you all talking about that body builder femhroth fan art? Yeah, not really my thing, but I've already talked about that probably throughout most of this thread in the past. I don't have the energy, and don't really care as much as I used to, to do so again.

(...) Viera "cute".
Half the females in the game are not smoll-cute-waifu types. I'm fairly sure the only reason people think there's more "cute" options is because, besides Viera, all the tall and non-cute females are bottom barrel unpopular, so you rarely see them.

Viera can DEFINITELY be cute, with the right glamour options, and face. At minimum height they can be fairly short too, I know some people would like them to be able to be even shorter though.