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    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    You're conflating optimal group play with optimal individual play. Optimal group play is never needing to GCD heal in any content after ARR because everyone's on top of their game. Optimal individual play, on the part of a healer, can mean GCD healing to rectify the mistakes of another individual not playing optimally, to prevent the greater DPS loss that would come of letting them die.
    You're not wrong in that those are indeed two separate things, but I don't think anyone really theorycrafts based on individual play so it seems like a moot point to me. I can once again go back to my point on WHM and AST. If we're talking optimal individual play, WHM knocks AST out of the park, but we all know that isn't the case because there's an entire 7 other people to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    You're not wrong in that those are indeed two separate things, but I don't think anyone really theorycrafts based on individual play so it seems like a moot point to me. I can once again go back to my point on WHM and AST. If we're talking optimal individual play, WHM knocks AST out of the park, but we all know that isn't the case because there's an entire 7 other people to consider.
    Optimal Individual play vs optimal group play is a very different thing than pDPS vs rDPS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Optimal Individual play vs optimal group play is a very different thing than pDPS vs rDPS
    But optimal individual play is based entirely on optimal group play. Not a single DPS rotation out there is based solely on the job itself, it's amalgamated with the utilities the party brings. Hence why you have to look at the bigger picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    But optimal individual play is based entirely on optimal group play. Not a single DPS rotation out there is based solely on the job itself, it's amalgamated with the utilities the party brings. Hence why you have to look at the bigger picture.
    Well except for the selfish classes (who except for BLM do often do a bit of messing around to stick more of their higher damage windows into burst)

    But still reliance on others to do more damage and align buffs is a very different concept than “the optimal group scenario is for this DPS to not take damage, the optimal individual situation for the healer is to not let that DPS die even if I lose DPS personally” and that sort of situation is completely independent of group coordination for raid DPS
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