the 12!!!!! omg !!!!!!

[Tyrius]

So after doingg the 24 man raid and doing just 2 quest after that since im a tad behind content wise after my pc fried when they explain that the primals are basically other cultures/beast tribes interpretation of the 12 now looking at it I can see brygot as titan rhlagr as rhamu what has been seen cant bee unseen omg! im just sitting here mind blown brain dripping out my left ear lol

[sidurgu-12]

i knew about rhalgr and remah since its speculated in game but the others took a while to connect. like garuda seems to be a blend of the allagan commander and halone. though i have no idea for primals like leviathan.

[SpiritTamer]

i knew about rhalgr and remah since its speculated in game but the others took a while to connect. like garuda seems to be a blend of the allagan commander and halone. though i have no idea for primals like leviathan.

I always thought the inspiration for Leviathan was that big sea serpent skeleton in Upper La Noscea (Thalaos).

[sidurgu-12]

I always thought the inspiration for Leviathan was that big sea serpent skeleton in Upper La Noscea (Thalaos).

that might be it.

[Cleretic]

I always thought the inspiration for Leviathan was that big sea serpent skeleton in Upper La Noscea (Thalaos).

That I could absolutely buy. And we know there's a lot of similar serpents of less gargantuan size like the Nepto Dragon, so it would make a lot of sense that the Sahagin would determine through gradual retellings that their god is 'that thing, but bigger'. Very totemic, you see that in a lot of cultures, particularly tribal ones.

When reading up on the myths of primals in the Encyclopedia Eorzea, though, a couple of them stood out to me.

1. Leviathan's story actually does sound weirdly like a water-themed version of Zodiark's story from the Zodiark worshippers' perspective: the land was inhospitable dry wasteland, until the gods sent Leviathan down to fill it with water; this drained Leviathan to near-death, so a bunch of the fish sacrificed themselves to give it back life, and in return Leviathan uplifted the survivors by giving them intelligence and legs. Overall that sounds exactly like how the Ascians probably would've spun the story of Zodiark to sundered people they recruited, just filtered through generations upon generations of fish people. No idea how intentional that is, since Leviathan's myth only really exists in the Encyclopedia Eorzea and Zodiark's story confirmably came quite a bit later.

2. The kobolds and the ananta have identical creation myths, it's weird. Both tribes believe their god looked on a harsh and inhospitable world, and despaired over it enough that they made their patron race out of clay to be stewards. It's not the most unique origin myth, and you see a lot of similar ones in real life (I suspect becuse a lot of civilizations figured out pottery pretty early), but it's very weird that two tribes with basically nothing else in common have the exact same story like that.

[Rongway]

Byregot is a lightning god and Halone is an ice god. They wouldn't map to Titan (earth) and Garuda (wind). The devs are much more conscious about elemental affiliations than that.

[RicaRuin]

If anything, I'd say Halone and Shiva are very similar. Both are associated with ice, both have the origin of their lore centered around Ishgard and the belief of the Ishgardians turned Heretics surely influenced Shiva's summoning one way or another...

[Denishia]

If anything, I'd say Halone and Shiva are very similar. Both are associated with ice, both have the origin of their lore centered around Ishgard and the belief of the Ishgardians turned Heretics surely influenced Shiva's summoning one way or another...

There is a quote somewhere (which I'm sure someone has on hand or can dig up) that Ysayle's imaginings of Shiva to create that primal form were subconsciously influenced by iconography of Halone.

[Cleretic]

There is a quote somewhere (which I'm sure someone has on hand or can dig up) that Ysayle's imaginings of Shiva to create that primal form were subconsciously influenced by iconography of Halone.

Crops up in the Encyclopedia Eorzea, same place that first drew the Rhalgr-Ramuh connection. Ysayle probably pictured Shiva as more in line with Halone because she doesn't know what Shiva looks like, but was abundantly aware of Halone.

Garuda has an actual in-universe origin and explanation (she was an Allagan air force general that got deified by the Ixal over generations of retelling their origin story), so her being connected to one of the Twelve doesn't really track. Most plausible connection would by Llymlaen, since she is the female wind-elemental member of the Twelve, but she's actually depicted instead as a goddess of fishing and navigation, so that doesn't fit for Garuda AT ALL.

[Rannie]

Wait though how can they be the interpretation of the Twelve when we know thar Ifrit is based off of the concept of Ifrita that Lahabrea created back in the unsundered Era?