the 12!!!!! omg !!!!!!

[Tyrius]

So after doingg the 24 man raid and doing just 2 quest after that since im a tad behind content wise after my pc fried when they explain that the primals are basically other cultures/beast tribes interpretation of the 12 now looking at it I can see brygot as titan rhlagr as rhamu what has been seen cant bee unseen omg! im just sitting here mind blown brain dripping out my left ear lol

[sidurgu-12]

i knew about rhalgr and remah since its speculated in game but the others took a while to connect. like garuda seems to be a blend of the allagan commander and halone. though i have no idea for primals like leviathan.

[Rongway]

Byregot is a lightning god and Halone is an ice god. They wouldn't map to Titan (earth) and Garuda (wind). The devs are much more conscious about elemental affiliations than that.

[RicaRuin]

If anything, I'd say Halone and Shiva are very similar. Both are associated with ice, both have the origin of their lore centered around Ishgard and the belief of the Ishgardians turned Heretics surely influenced Shiva's summoning one way or another...

[Denishia]

If anything, I'd say Halone and Shiva are very similar. Both are associated with ice, both have the origin of their lore centered around Ishgard and the belief of the Ishgardians turned Heretics surely influenced Shiva's summoning one way or another...

There is a quote somewhere (which I'm sure someone has on hand or can dig up) that Ysayle's imaginings of Shiva to create that primal form were subconsciously influenced by iconography of Halone.

[Cleretic]

There is a quote somewhere (which I'm sure someone has on hand or can dig up) that Ysayle's imaginings of Shiva to create that primal form were subconsciously influenced by iconography of Halone.

Crops up in the Encyclopedia Eorzea, same place that first drew the Rhalgr-Ramuh connection. Ysayle probably pictured Shiva as more in line with Halone because she doesn't know what Shiva looks like, but was abundantly aware of Halone.

Garuda has an actual in-universe origin and explanation (she was an Allagan air force general that got deified by the Ixal over generations of retelling their origin story), so her being connected to one of the Twelve doesn't really track. Most plausible connection would by Llymlaen, since she is the female wind-elemental member of the Twelve, but she's actually depicted instead as a goddess of fishing and navigation, so that doesn't fit for Garuda AT ALL.

[Rannie]

Wait though how can they be the interpretation of the Twelve when we know thar Ifrit is based off of the concept of Ifrita that Lahabrea created back in the unsundered Era?

[Cleretic]

Wait though how can they be the interpretation of the Twelve when we know thar Ifrit is based off of the concept of Ifrita that Lahabrea created back in the unsundered Era?

I would say a bigger thing getting in the way of primals being inherently derived from the Twelve is that there's only twelve of the Twelve (or thirteen if you fudge the numbers around Nald'thal), and by my quick count the amount of primals we've fought is somewhere in the high twenties. And that's being conservative and considering stuff like the Knights of the Round to be one primal rather than thirteen.

Honestly I also think it's kinda reductive to think that primals MUST be based on the Twelve (or, related, that all primals MUST be based on Ancient concepts); it kind of implies that these civilizations can't possibly have weaved their own origin stories, and had to have gotten their gods from somewhere else. Ramuh and Shiva being based on the Twelve tracks for those, but only because the sylphs actually do place themselves as societally lesser than those around them, and Ysayle having an extremely Halonic education.

[Rannie]

It's why I was like wha???what???? Also there's also the fact that one of the Ascians or the words of Mitron who did the "flying whale" which can also be seen as a link to Bismarck.

The knights of the round weren't they already said to be based off of King Thordan and his knights from 1000 years ago for the House's that killed Nidhogg's mate and stole his eyes.

Shiva can be understandable since Ysayles being an Ishgardian and them worshipping Halone but Shiva was also a real woman as well being consumed by Hvaes...

[kaynide]

I think it’s important to understand: just because one primal has a connection to one of the 12, does not necessarily dictate that all primals are linked to the 12.

Indeed, the primals could just be based on ancient creatures or particularly powerful entities (like Bismarck on the First actually being a sort of fairy creature like the people of Il Mheg). An easily confirmed example of this being the Primal Bahamut who certainly wasn’t a deity.

Rather, I speculate that the Ascians simply co-opted existing beliefs where it was suitable to corrupt into a primal (a la Garuda), or introduced something new entirely that was suitable (a la Ifrit), or just let their victims’ imagination run wild with whatever they wanted, as long as it made a primal. I wouldn’t be surprised if Leviathan was just “fish peeps saw a big serpent”, in a simliar way ancient humans had bear worship in Neolithic times.