The Souls inside of Zodiark (I might be over thinking about this)

[SannaR]

Ok so we know that Zodiark was split into 14 and that anyone not inside of him or weren't "lucky" like the three unsundered lost the ability to use creation magics. I'm assuming the only reason why the Loloprits are able to is due to Hydelean creating them with said ability. Since Hythlodaeus is the only person we know to have been inside of Zodiark how is he able to use Creation Magic? Or is Emet doing a lot of the heavy lifting in Ultima Thule? Since Hythlodaeus should be only 7 times rejoined. As it was only after rejoining with Ardbert that the WoL is glimpsed as whole enough to look like an Ancient.

Yet still thin aetherically as to only be thought of as a familiar when we're in Elpis and doing things with Eric and Themis. While also having every other Elpis researcher behaving like a stereotypical Italian mother who feels their child isn't getting enough food in them and does their best to have us gain more.

So then how would anyone inside Zodiark still be able to use creation magics since we know each reflection had its own life stream and so any and all freed shards should just gone to each reflection's lifestream. Unless I am over thinking stuff and I'm supposed to use the answer the Devs gave for as to why none of the Metieons aren't 10ft tall in Ultima Thule and that Hythlodaeus is able to use creation magics cause that's what the WoL's Swiss cheese brain remembers Hythlodaeus being able to do?

[Iscah]

Where are you getting the "can't use creation magicks" but from?

From the weird way that Zodiark is sundered – physically in pieces – it's quite possible that the individual souls in him are still unsundered.

Also, Emet would be doing the heavy lifting for spellcasting even if Hyth is unsundered, just because he's naturally stronger at it.

[SannaR]

I'm assuming that since we know creation magics according to Y'Shtola would need a whole lot of aether just to use well use any that being sundered as they should be that he shouldn't be able to. In that due to us not being able to use creation magics due to a lack of enough of an aether battery big enough to even get on the same level as Hythlodaeus or even Eric's strength. Then that the souls inside shouldn't be able to as they would be too thin.

I have wondered if they are unsundered or not. As how would that work if Zodiark is in pieces but his parts are whole?

[RyuDragnier]

Consider that Zodiark is made up of all the souls sacrificed, but all those souls are whole. He's split into 14 pieces. Meaning the souls are divided amongst his pieces. Zodiark may be Sundered, but the souls that made him are not, as evidenced by Hyth being able to use his power after being thrown back into the Lifestream. If the souls inside Zodiark had been Sundered themselves, then he'd be unable to.

So assume 14 million souls created Zodiark. You don't have 14 million soul shards at each location he's sealed at, you have 1 million souls making up that piece. All the souls are intact, just heavily divided up and spread across the Source and Shards. Every time there's a rejoining, 1 million of those souls are thrown back into the main body of Zodiark on the Source's moon.

[DPZ2]

All of this is happy handwaving, and you are welcome to it.

Just don't count any of it as official lore in future threads. Please.

[SannaR]

Consider that Zodiark is made up of all the souls sacrificed, but all those souls are whole. He's split into 14 pieces. Meaning the souls are divided amongst his pieces. Zodiark may be Sundered, but the souls that made him are not, as evidenced by Hyth being able to use his power after being thrown back into the Lifestream. If the souls inside Zodiark had been Sundered themselves, then he'd be unable to.

So assume 14 million souls created Zodiark. You don't have 14 million soul shards at each location he's sealed at, you have 1 million souls making up that piece. All the souls are intact, just heavily divided up and spread across the Source and Shards. Every time there's a rejoining, 1 million of those souls are thrown back into the main body of Zodiark on the Source's moon.

That makes some sense, but wouldn't the souls inside also fall under the everything got sundered? Sure they got split up and placed onto different reflections but why would they still be whole in a sense.

[Cleretic]

That makes some sense, but wouldn't the souls inside also fall under the everything got sundered? Sure they got split up and placed onto different reflections but why would they still be whole in a sense.

How I gathered the sundering of Zodiark affected the souls was that while Zodiark's body was sundered and its constituent souls ripped away, the souls themselves remained whole. It's like if you dispersed a crowd into multiple smaller crowds; every person in each crowd is still the same, you didn't split the person (unless you were extraordinarily bad at crowd management).

The main evidence there is that Hythlodaeus seems no different when we talk to him on the moon than he did in Elpis or Ultima Thule.

[Lurina]

It really felt odd to me when Yoshi-P basically handwaved all the Unsundered souls around now during the Q&A as no big deal. We know the Ancients can resist being pulled into the lifestream if they want to. Does it really seem likely that of the millions sacrificed to create Zodiark, none will feel a little put-out by the situation and stick around to make trouble?

[Naoki34]

...the three unsundered lost the ability to use creation magics...

They have not lost the ability to use creative magic.

Emet-Selch used it to create the Amaurote illusion.

The invocations of primals are a form of creative magic, they taught it to the beast tribes in an incomplete version that favours the increase of their ego to subjugate all those who pass within their reach.

[SannaR]

They have not lost the ability to use creative magic.

Emet-Selch used it to create the Amaurote illusion.

The invocations of primals are a form of creative magic, they taught it to the beast tribes in an incomplete version that favours the increase of their ego to subjugate all those who pass within their reach.

I know the unsundered didn't lose the ability. I meant that they weren't as lucky as the unsundered. Lucky depending on whether or not you feel being held in some form of suspended animation as the best deal compared to everyone else. And that if their souls had been also sundered then they would have lost said ability. Unlike the Unsundered. I know I worded it strangely.