Glamours: Re-work the entire system.

[Garten]

Let me get home and i'll burn you to the ground

[Garten]

Promises, promises.
Go for it. Spend hours crafting your self-described flame.
Show me how important I am to you. (Fool.)

Wow you really wanna make It Easy for me. See? This Is Just what theese ppl want.. they dont argue cause they do not agree, they argue for the sake of arguing, make ppl angry and make em lose time and Energy while they counter them -> troll behavior

[Siddiax]

Promises, promises.
Go for it. Spend hours crafting your self-described flame.
Show me how important I am to you. (Fool.)

I see someone has been taking drama classes. Hope things work out for you bud! Though I'm not sure if the extreme overdramatization of everything will work in your favor.

Why? Afraid too? Too many big words you don't understand?
Or are you just lying to avoid admitting you can't refute what I wrote?
How can you accuse me of trolling when you don't even read what I post?

Other than having an ego the size of Jupiter, you're really not that important. You've been disproved a thousand times by now but just straight up ignore the truth when it hits you and instead try to find some more straws to grasp to.

You're not a developer, you're just another salty forumite, so I won't gain anything by further arguing with you. (hey look I did the thing with where I bold a few words, that certainly makes me look cool)

[Siddiax]

Yet another evidence-free assertion. "Someone somewhere somewhen proved you wrong, I just can't be bothered to say who, where, or when." Well, if this ever did happen, we can be pretty sure it wasn't Siddiax.

What do you mean no evidence ? You just proved my point. Take a look at the previous pages in this and the other glam-related threads.

But you couldn't resist another personal attack on me. Lame.
I note that I used to be a software developer, for over two decades, before I changed careers.
And I'm not salty at all, not about FFXIV.

It's not an attack as much as just stating a fact. You don't work for CBU3, that's more than enough. Stop pretending like you understand how XIV works lol. Also I doubt you'd be so insanely obsessed with this topic if you weren't salty - your other posts on the forum prove it.

All in all, not a good look my man. Nobody likes pseudo-intellectuals, especially so in a thread about fashion in a game.

[Garten]

Promises, promises.
Go for it.

Got home

—--- Premise

In this game there are matters regarding which you can’t honestly discuss em subjectively.. some things are objectively bad, or for scarcity / access (housing), o for implementation (see glamor system, and class glamor limitations), or for lack of QOL (hud, inventory, retainers) ..
AT MOST, the only thing we can discuss about these things here is the PRIORITY of working on it, or if they are TECNICALLY implementables.
I am not completely naive and I understand that they are not problems that can be solved overnight, THAT does not mean that the players, players who LOVE the game and PAYS for it, have not the right and somehow the duty (for themselves and for future players) to ask that these things are looked at. (also wouldn’t the game become better for everyone?)

Where is the problem.. The problem is that i see more and more often on this forum, that, when these issues are arisen, ppl like you come and make “THE CONTRARY” arbitrarily, just dunno? For sport? Maybe they like to make ppl angry?
(The classic example are ppl in the pvp section telling about some classes imbalances and instead of countering the argument made there are LITERALLY just responded with posts with written only “skill issue” or “git gud”).

Now, about this post


—-----The op said:

If 200 wasn't enough, and 400 isn't enough, 800 won't be enough:

Then clearly the system is flawed.

Completely re-work the glamour system to work more like World of Warcraft's Transmog system. Then no one has to worry about adding anything at all to a glamour dresser. Have the new system automatically add what people have in their glamour dressers into the new system.

No more clogging up dresser space, no more bloated strain on the system. It's obvious the system itself is outdated, so update it properly. The space increase is just a band-aid on a gushing wound. It's not going to hold.

EDIT: If you really want to make the playerbase happy, take away role restrictions on gear. Once a piece of gear goes into the collection, ANY class can use the gear. The only restrictions that should remain are for racial gear, weapons, and artifact gear. Everything else should turn into a level 1, Any Class glamour item. So what if your tank wants to wear a dress: I already have to stare at naked Roegadyn wearing a Chocobo head while they tank.

So what if the black mage wants to wear plate armor? A battle mage sounds AMAZING. Let them do it.

From ALL his post you can tell that he thinks that the actual glamour system (both the role restrictions and the glamour dresser) is a clunky and outdated system, where ppl have a FINITE number of things that can glamour and store.
Maybe it never happened to you, but to me for example it happened that in the past i dropped some items that i did not think i would ever use in a glamour and so (having the dresser full or almost full) i gave it to the GC; then months later i teorycrafted a fantastic glamour that used said items and that now i had to go hunt again..
This would not have happened in a system where ALL equipment obtained would have been FLAGGED as obtained and then used in a glamour..

You only quoted this part:
“If 200 wasn't enough, and 400 isn't enough, 800 won't be enough:
Then clearly the system is flawed.”

and replied:

The problem is, your condition seems false to me.
What percentage of the player base has hit the current 400-item limit for the glamour dresser?
No one I know is even close.

I suspect that only a tiny fraction of the player base will even approach the 800-item limit of the glamour dresser. So to me it seems a complete waste of finite development resources to "re-work" the glamour system just to please that tiny fraction.
I'd far rather those resources went into developing new content.

Every system has limitations, but that doesn't make them necessarily flawed, and I don't see the current glamour system as flawed. I find it quite fun, even if I'd sometimes like to take a set of dressmaker shears to some of the stupid baggy and/or clunky things they hang off of many of the nicer tops, and even if I do miss most items taking two dyes (each with its own map of course) like items did in SWTOR.

And if you don't enjoy playing the current glamour system...
why do you need more than 800 items in your glamour chest?

These complaints, IMO, aren't motivated by the glamour system being flawed, they're motivated by the more-more-more gimme-gimme-gimme sense of entitlement that's all too common on these forums.

Even if at the start you seem reasonable (when you talk about system limitations), you then go on a tangent criticizing OP of self-entitlement, like if you are saying “just git gud with the actual system” (i’ll come back later to this behavior) and twisting the meaning of his words like if his only complaints were on the “quantity limit” of the system.
Also i pay for the entire game, if i UNLOCK an item, shouldn’t be “reasonable” to have it when i will need it? Instead of unlocking an item and then having to store in a limited system (dresser or retainer) out OF FEAR (read fomo) of needing it in the future?


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—---Vahlnir said

Better =/= good. What we have works at a functional level, but I wouldn't call it good by any means when other games can do similar things worlds better.

And then you replied:

If the current glamour system isn't good, why to do so many people seem to revel in using it?
Why do they spend millions of gil on glamour items -- some costing more than top-end crafted raid gear?

Glamour is probably the most popular mini-game in FFIXIV.
The people who crafted it are probably very happy with how it has been accepted by the player base.
As they should be, IMO.

Every objective indication flies in the face of your opinion that it isn't "good."
Accordingly, the odds SE will "re-work" the system, as some people here want, are slim to none.
And I'm fine with that.

You are so wrong in this i don’t even know how to start… I mean.. if this is THE ONLY glamour system i have, IF I LIKE to glamour myself i WILL USE IT even if is BAD..

I literally dunno how i could explain it better..

Also Skivvy and Raikai replied to you about it, and you again missed the point… they made you noticed with a fun GIF, but apparently you just glossed over it…

—- AlyaNimfa Said:

Yeah people love Glaming, like the do in any game. That isn't what the thread is about, the only person debating that is you.

Is the system up to scratch? Oh hell no! Seriously the whole "you can only store X number of items" is a crock. Why do we have to store any items for this to work? If you have picked it up and equipped it, it should be there for you.

This will not affect marketboard sales, or anything else (as much as people would love to believe), because you'd still have to go and buy the things you want for each character.

It's simply a quality of life thing. Blizzard actually done it right, as much as I am loathe to touch their crappy game, I will admit that. Sqeenix still haven't grasped the concept of it either, so it's not just you. Which is funny considering they play that game too.

and you replied:

How many clothing items can you store in your closets at home?
800? Including armor breastplates?
I seriously doubt it.
So by your logic, your closets at home are a crock.
Are you angry about that?
Are you willing to spend a lot of time and money making your closets larger?

Nothing comes for free.
Perfection has ever been the enemy of good enough.
Learn it, live it.

how the hell can you even compare the glamour dresser to a real closet? In this contest? If a damn FLAG “obtained”/”Not obtained” is not possible, reply saying that, not with this poor equivalency.. i can’t convert my clothes to data..

—-- for honesty:

... it would fail to allow someone to use a 1,000,000 gil dye on a cheap item and store it in the glam chest for multiple future uses.
E.g.: jet black die on a hempen chamise.

The current system allows this, both on the items and/or on a glamour plate, and a lot of people find it a valuable capability. You're asking them to give this feature up. I doubt they will be pleased.

As H.L. Menken said, for every complex problem there is an solution that is clear, simple, and wrong.

This is i think the only thing i didn’t think about the “pure” transmog system… but also honestly.. it could be easily addressed in a smart manner if there was like a library of ALL obtained equipment and you use THAT library to both try on items and to create the “real” plates you use to glamor yourself. Maybe you could apply the dies there… (just a quick tought out of my mind)..

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ok, i skipped some ripetition parts but i think i addressed everything “IN THIS POST”.

My final points and considerations:
I am surely a passionate person, and i easily get angry, but i am honest.. i don’t go against ppl cause i like to do it.. English is not my mother language and i should learn it better, this is al my fault i admit it.. and this is one of the reasons why i don’t often respond to ppl like you, but i guess this was one of my bad days..
Even considered that, i am not stupid; you are a very smart and intelligent person, i can tell. And you can write and respond to people very well. This does not mean that i can’t “sometimes” read between the lines of the dishonesty behind your words, and THIS IS THE KEY of the discussion.

Then i find fun that you and other ppl say things like: “You have to prove i am trolling”, while ppl could just read all the posts you made: THAT IS THE PROOF. This is not the first time and the first post i see YOU behaving like this (waiting for you to asking these proves also..)

Also the way you replied to me in my previos post lol… guessed i am playing right into your hands..
..but you know what? i wanted to play today and you won i guess.. i lost around an hour of my life writing all this.. but at least i had a bit of fun, and i could release some steam i had accumulated..

I am not gonna amuse you further (in this post at least).. hope all this wall of text will not give you headache..

mic drop.

[Midareyukki]

It's a troll. A really bad one at that. Just ignore it, don't derail the thread any further than it has to.

She's really not worth it.

[Rolder50]

They know glamour has issues, and no, they've already stated repeatedly countless times in the past that a WoW style system is simply out of the question due to technical problems with how the game is coded and handles gear appearence. And they simply cannot "rework" the system easily without affecting the game's operation, the only way that could happen would be for the game as a whole to be completley redesigned and coded from the ground up, a "Version 2-3.0" if you will.

Considering the number of times they tell us some feature or another isn't technically possible due to the way the game is coded, only for them to add the feature later anyway, I have absolutely zero trust for it to be true in this instance.

[Silverbane]

Blab blah blag

You said you were going to find examples of me twisting other people's words.
You failed.
Demonstrating that you just make shit up to attack people you disagree with, with no concern for truth.
Which makes you the troll.

[Siddiax]

In any case, I feel like we might get some extra slots by 7.0 but I don't see a major rework happening in a patch. Definitely more of an expansion type of rework.

Then again Island Sanctuary, the PvP rework and Crystalline Conflict came in a patch, so we'll never know.

[Garten]

In any case, I feel like we might get some extra slots by 7.0 but I don't see a major rework happening in a patch. Definitely more of an expansion type of rework.

Then again Island Sanctuary, the PvP rework and Crystalline Conflict came in a patch, so we'll never know.

Honestly i would like at least another couple of plates.. those would be very welcomed >_<