Glamours: Re-work the entire system.

[Skivvy]

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.

[Vahlnir]

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.

But as others said, it's the ONLY road for people to take. Of course they are going to use it, whether it's good or not. Either way, I've said my piece on this, and I fully believe in my opinion. I'm also not sure what is wrong with wanting things to be better, as they most certainly can be with the right approach. People are weird when it comes to criticism I guess and choose to die on very strange hills.

[AlyaNimfa]

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.

Yeah people love Glaming, like the do in any game. That isn't what the thread is about, the only person debating that is you.

Is the system up to scratch? Oh hell no! Seriously the whole "you can only store X number of items" is a crock. Why do we have to store any items for this to work? If you have picked it up and equipped it, it should be there for you.

This will not affect marketboard sales, or anything else (as much as people would love to believe), because you'd still have to go and buy the things you want for each character.

It's simply a quality of life thing. Blizzard actually done it right, as much as I am loathe to touch their crappy game, I will admit that. Sqeenix still haven't grasped the concept of it either, so it's not just you. Which is funny considering they play that game too.

[Raikai]

It's simply a quality of life thing. Blizzard actually done it right, as much as I am loathe to touch their crappy game, I will admit that.

It's bemusing that they make a really strong system, but the "meat" of the system - the actual items - are awful. Even stuff the'll release in their next expansion looks bad. Those fake 3D painted-on textures... why they still make that when they have technology to create items with actual 3D bits... Also undyable stuff is a real weak point by today's MMORPG standards.

[Lucida3b]

Fundamentally I have to wonder how much is spaghetti code vs unwillingness to fix it.

Im reminded of the many excuses wow devs gave for why they couldn't do wow classic, i think they even said they didn't have code for vanilla if memory serves? but those were all lies. That's a fundamental crux here where one side doubts and the other doesn't.

And fundamentally there perfectly willing to add more flag/collection systems every expansion it feels like, minions, mounts, cards, bardings, titles, reports, hair styles, facial paints, achievements, lore log, the many other logs... the amount of flags already is huge

I cant help but what would be so hard for a flag based system that utilizes the glamour dresser itself, as the game already has the appearance data for every item, its absurd to suggest to me that its impossible when it seems the glamour dresser itself is a means of utilizing the restrictions they already had as its basically a glorified chest storage with glamour functionality

[Silverbane]

Is the system up to scratch? Oh hell no! Seriously the whole "you can only store X number of items" is a crock. .

How many clothing items can you store in your closets at home?
800? Including armor breastplates?
I seriously doubt it.
So by your logic, your closets at home are a crock.
Are you angry about that?
Are you willing to spend a lot of time and money making your closets larger?

Nothing comes for free.
Perfection has ever been the enemy of good enough.
Learn it, live it.

[Midareyukki]

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

Uhhhhh... Yeeeeees... That's not the point of this at all though?
A lot of people also played PLD in HSW, it didn't stop it from being changed.
A lot of people also played through Anemos on release, didn't stop that from getting changed and future content like it to be tweaked around the issues that arose.
A lot of people want Housing, doesn't stop that part of the content to have issues that needed fixing.
So, what, just because "y'all use it anyway", we can't say anything about it nor provide feedback?
...do you not know how long-term software is developped?
Do you not know why ARR existed to begin with?

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

Well, if that's not gatekeeper mindset, idk what is.

Yes mate, this is a game. We're not forced to play it.
Glamouring is optional, we're not forced to glamour it.
But how, pray tell, do you expect there to be feedback, both positive AND negative, if people don't play it?
Or, what, do you only expect people to play it and have no other opinion but liking it 100%?
Or perhaps you expect people that play it to drop it the moment they experience some level of cumbersome design?

Girl, that sailor saying isn't applying here. We're not running into the wall to bash our heads in, complain about it, and then do it again.
This is the only option afforded to us. This is the only design there is if we want to do anything with the way we look. "All paths lead to Rome" does not apply here, as this is the ONLY path to our intended goal, which is to change how our outfits look.
And, what, you're expecting us to not change our looks at all just because the process isn't to our liking?
Again, I repeat, do you not know how any of this works??

Do you even listen to yourself?
Or are you just a troll and I just haven't realized it?

What is up with people and not thinking twice before posting something this blithering obvious?

[Silverbane]

But how, pray tell, do you expect there to be feedback, both positive AND negative, if people don't play it?

Isn't it obvious?
The number of people who try the glamour game and then keep playing it, and the aggregate amount of game time and gil they spend playing it, is the most powerful feedback SE gets, and all they really need.

Because like any mini-game, the entire point of the glamour system, from SE's perspective, is to keep players logging in, month after month.

Sure, they'll throw the complainers a bone now and then.
But re-work the system?
No, not while so many people are enjoying playing it.

Asking to re-work the glamour system is like asking to re-work the most popular job in the game because a few online whiners don't like it -- it's an outright stupid request.

[Midareyukki]

Isn't it obvious?
The number of people who try the glamour game and then keep playing it, and the aggregate amount of game time and gil they spend playing it, is the most powerful feedback SE gets, and all they really need.

Okay so you just answered me, thanks:

So, what, just because "y'all use it anyway", we can't say anything about it nor provide feedback?
Or, what, do you only expect people to play it and have no other opinion but liking it 100%?
Or perhaps you expect people that play it to drop it the moment they experience some level of cumbersome design?

The answer was yes.

Yes you really do expect people who keep playing through THE GLAMOUR GAME THAT ONLY HAS THIS ONE OPTION ANYWAY to be the ones Square should listen to. And anyone who has issues or wants it to be expanded in any way can get bent.

[Midareyukki]

I am THIS close to dropping the "Limited Races" argument on this forum to prove Silverbane isn't thinking straight, so before I derail yet another thread with that crap, I'm gonna vamoose...

Because you cannot tell me "the only the majority who try content, play it and the amount of money and time spent into it is the only feedback SE listens to" after April 1st. That is as laughable as it feels insulting. And I am NOT going to make you guys suffer through another round of crazy lion boy. I've had enough for a whole month.

Cheers everyone.

I hope the glamour system gets improvements, keep suggesting stuff.