Glamours: Re-work the entire system.

[Raikai]

in my defence i should not have been messing with that...



Yeah no, this is unrealistic.

Your whole premiss hinges on the fact that "there is a lot of stuff to wear between roles, so people will look different both within their role and outside of their role".

People defending this rhetoric about "Limitation breeds creativity" are clearly not worried about details how their character look.

A quick example: I want to make my character a glam inspired by 9S (from YoHRa) but reimagined as a Red Mage... Good, I should put on the Estoqueur chestpiece, and some medium boots... Now I need those shorts. Yeah, there are many shorts available... Alas, the specific shorts + long socks are only for Scouting/Striking/Maiming... Too bad a key detail cannot be replicated because of the limitations, even though that item doesn't look like a specific armor group.

Limitations doesn't breed creativity. It just breeds frustration for those that really care. And lemme say, it's hard not to care when armor sets in XIV look so good. In fact, I feel that is the MMOrpg with the best item designs.

[P0sitr0nic]

You do realize that it is already 200% better than it was on launch, ya?

[Vahlnir]

You do realize that it is already 200% better than it was on launch, ya?

Better =/= good. What we have works at a functional level, but I wouldn't call it good by any means when other games can do similar things worlds better.

[Skivvy]

You do realize that it is already 200% better than it was on launch, ya?

But it could be so much better. Well, perhaps it's not actually possible in XIV's case due to technical woes (or whatever the case is), but when you compare the glam systems offered up by the competition, you can see how archaic and clunky our system really is.

[Midareyukki]

You do realize that it is already 200% better than it was on launch, ya?

Oh come on, that's nonsense and you know it!

First and foremost, there's a reason this meme was popular a few years back:


And secondly, so what? Sis, it can be 1000x better than it was on launch and STILL have cracks and poor seams, can't it? And we are allowed to point those out. It's why people say "you missed a spot".
Because idk if you've been paying attention, given how your account is from 2013 and you seem to know how the game used to be, but the devs aren't a "let's do something and it'll instantly fix every single issue" sort. Because:
a) Even when they try to make a fix that's better than before, it can easily lead to problems that didn't exist on the previous version. Look no further than Housing or Diadem, both systems that had wonky designs, had a fix that, while better in some aspects, led to other issues, and then got improved upon. Those eventually got fixed and improved upon, often with player suggestions. Even if people don't agree with how they're designed, at least they're not what we used to have... but that doesn't mean it can't still be improved upon.
b) even with that, the game's grown from player feedback even beyond ARR's release, with stuff being wholly different, from job design, rotation design, fight and raid design, even menu design!
And that's why SOFTWARE VERSIONS exist: to do just that.

I swear, arguments like those are why people get shut down for criticism and asking for improvements on content. Because you can't say "Okay, we're due some improvements on this now" without someone saying "WoRkS fInE fOr Me 8U"

No one is dismissing the hard work the devs do, have done nor will do. We're just saying "hey, we didn't agree with this design, we still don't agree to it even after you told us you yourselves prefer it, and we have newer accounts agreeing that they don't agree with this either. Learn from your fanbase's feedback as you promised you would back in ARR's release and have done ever since."

Stop virtue signaling the devs fixing the absolute horrid mess 1.0 was. We get it, it was a miracle. They're still not godly saints, you know? They CAN handle people telling them what can be improved upon, and even asked for it.

[Silverbane]

Better =/= good. What we have works at a functional level, but I wouldn't call it good by any means

If the current glamour system isn't good, why to do so many people seem to revel in using it?
Why do they spend millions of gil on glamour items -- some costing more than top-end crafted raid gear?

Glamour is probably the most popular mini-game in FFIXIV.
The people who crafted it are probably very happy with how it has been accepted by the player base.
As they should be, IMO.

Every objective indication flies in the face of your opinion that it isn't "good."
Accordingly, the odds SE will "re-work" the system, as some people here want, are slim to none.
And I'm fine with that.

[OgruMogru]

People do not revel in the glamour system, they revel in the gorgeous designs and the positive feedback loop of their own creativity. The glamour system holds back and complicates this process.

[Skivvy]

If the current glamour system isn't good, why to do so many people seem to revel in using it?
Why do they spend millions of gil on glamour items -- some costing more than top-end crafted raid gear?

Glamour is probably the most popular mini-game in FFIXIV.
The people who crafted it are probably very happy with how it has been accepted by the player base.
As they should be, IMO.

Every objective indication flies in the face of your opinion that it isn't "good."
Accordingly, the odds SE will "re-work" the system, as some people here want, are slim to none.
And I'm fine with that.

This is such a weird angle. People are going to work with the system that is provided by the game. That's it. Are we supposed to refrain from glamouring anything if we're unhappy with it?

Curious, but have you ever played a game that has unlocked glams, or a proper fashion log, or a game that lets you dye all gear (and with multiple dye channels on each piece to boot!)?

XIV does not make things easy. For starters, we have to retain the gear in question, either in our inventory, armoire, or glamour dresser. The armoire removes dyes, so even if you can store something in there, you may not want to if you've used an expensive dye on it. Glamour plates can only be designed in an inn room. Said plates can only be applied in major cities. Your glams can actually break if you change jobs out in the open world. Not all gear is dyeable, and when it is, we only have the option to dye a single channel. I'm sure other people can think of other issues, but those come to mind first for me. So yeah, it could be improved upon greatly.

[Raikai]

If the current glamour system isn't good, why to do so many people seem to revel in using it?

This doesn't make any sense to me... Just because a road is poorly made doesn't mean people won't use it if it's the only road available. They can use the road and ask for improvements at the same time.

There can still be a lot of joy and fulfillment with the current glamour system. It doesn't mean it's perfect, or it has a good usability.

[Silverbane]

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.