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Except it wasn't "the world" that killed them. They were murdered by Heremes and Meteion before being finished off by Venat.
And what would come afterwards if the Final Days never occurred?

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It's not a "hard call" at all. No one deserves to make unilateral decisions for an entire planet.
I have bad news about the world we live in.

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To be frank, if you agree with one person making that decision for all of humankind, then I think that's fundamentally messed up.
The right choice is the right choice. I think Venat and her group made the right call given wheat we know, and I think the circumstances of the moment make that clear.

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Except, once again...you can't claim that one thing is impossible to achieve, and then try to prove that with something else equally impossible.
Perhaps I missed this point but what was “equally impossible” that was achieved? The Dead Ends accomplished much, sure, but they recognized impossibility when they saw it.

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Except, again, this argument does not work because of the Plenty. The premise of the Plenty is that they have eradicated all sorrow, and this is stated multiiple times by independent entities outside of the denizens themselves.

The entire premise of the Plenty is that if there is no sorrow or strife, there is no joy. So we are told in absolute terms that they eliminated sorry and strife, and thus have no joy. The story does not present this as "they BELIEVE they have done this, but are wrong", because if it did, the premise would be faulty. If they did not eliminate all sorrow and suffering, and thus joy, then the simple solution to their problem is to demonstrate sorrow and suffering which they overlooked, and thus joy that they overlooked...and if that's the case, then the Plenty are idiots who killed themselves for no reason.
I believe you may have misunderstood the narratives point. The people of the Plenty, and all those who tried something similar, were well aware they failed at the end of their efforts. As Meteion says:

Though worlds apart, these peoples shared a belief. The belief that they had tried their best. That they had tried to fulfill, with every step and success. In the course of which, they learned the truth. That they would never be free of fear and sorrow, anger and despair-of loneliness-so long as they yet lived.
It was that realization, that “paradise” was empty and a prison, that broke them.

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This argument only works if you accept the conclusion: that Venat is correct and her judgment makes sense from an out-of-universe context.

If you do not accept this, then Venat's statement makes no sense, because we're once again assuming that "perfect" means "current best" and not an absolute state. Again, this is like assuming that the iPhone X was perfect before the iPhone 11 came out, which was perfect before the iPhone 12 came out, and so on and so forth.
Or we assume “perfect” means the best they could do in the universe they live in, given the conception of perfection they decided to adopt. As the denizens of the Plenty described themselves, “infinity constructed by the finite.”

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Again, the problem with this argument is that Venat had other options and did not take them.
And I do not see those as options for the reasons laid out.

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The Convocation along with the other civil institutions of their star were expected to show full transparency: