Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

[Nizzi]

I'm finally getting around to leveling Samurai from 80 to 90, and while there's really nothing I can say about the 6.1 changes that hasn't been said about it yet, the Tenka Goken changes are throwing me off more than the removal of Kaiten because I'm leveling with dungeons. Fuga is still a cone, so... WTF was the point? Also Shinten spam is boring as hell, Samurai feels like shit now and I'm going to be glad to get it to 90 so I can drop it forever. It was at least fun to play back in ShB.

[CelestiCer]

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Kaiten obtained at Lv52 and Kyuten obtained at Lv62. Any content between those 2 levels will mean that our AoE filler? sometimes has to be " Shinten " now because we don't have anything else to spend Kenki. Even Guren is at Lv70.

Coupled with Tenka Goken being Circular made it less satisfying to aim. And even if aimed correctly, it feels like it hits less targets then the old version while also having lowered potency. Now I wouldn't be happy if they smacked Tenka Goken with Auto-Crit adjustment, but even this they couldn't do because they... Forgot? Lazy... it's beyond lazy... and it fixed nothing absolutely nothing it just made the gameplay horrible.

[Flashy]

I'm finally getting around to leveling Samurai from 80 to 90, and while there's really nothing I can say about the 6.1 changes that hasn't been said about it yet, the Tenka Goken changes are throwing me off more than the removal of Kaiten because I'm leveling with dungeons. Fuga is still a cone, so... WTF was the point? Also Shinten spam is boring as hell, Samurai feels like shit now and I'm going to be glad to get it to 90 so I can drop it forever. It was at least fun to play back in ShB.

I thought it was a lot more fun in ShB too. I miss Hissatsu: Seigan.

I do like how the AOEs apply buffs, but I don't really like how Meikyo Shisui applies buffs on combo finishers. It makes the job less punishing, since back in ShB, if you played at 2.14 sks and started the wrong combo after your 60s loop, you'd drop your buffs.

I miss being able to choose between higanbana or midare opener based on the fight

[xAFROx]

I'm finally getting around to leveling Samurai from 80 to 90, and while there's really nothing I can say about the 6.1 changes that hasn't been said about it yet, the Tenka Goken changes are throwing me off more than the removal of Kaiten because I'm leveling with dungeons. Fuga is still a cone, so... WTF was the point? Also Shinten spam is boring as hell, Samurai feels like shit now and I'm going to be glad to get it to 90 so I can drop it forever. It was at least fun to play back in ShB.

Aside from Shinten and the Tenka Goken change, SAM actually still feels pretty good at 80, imo

90 is where it starts to feel a bit jank due to the second charge of Tsubame-Gaeshi, though yhat might just be me since I've not bothered to learn a rotation beyond winging the opener with as much as I can.

[Hezhi]

Aside from Shinten and the Tenka Goken change, SAM actually still feels pretty good at 80, imo

90 is where it starts to feel a bit jank due to the second charge of Tsubame-Gaeshi, though yhat might just be me since I've not bothered to learn a rotation beyond winging the opener with as much as I can.

It's okay at 80 but actually feels like a level 50 job in synced 70 content, so barebones compared to when it had Kaiten to spice up things a bit.

[Kaseladen]

It's okay at 80 but actually feels like a level 50 job in synced 70 content, so barebones compared to when it had Kaiten to spice up things a bit.

Hard agree here
It feels really barebones now

[xAFROx]

Hard agree here
It feels really barebones now

At 70, yes. At 80, it feels pretty good. Unfortunately, it felt really good at 90 too until 6.1

[RyuuZero]

i cannot play Samurai for a long amount of time due to brainrot thanks to those 20 Kenki taunting me of the possibilities I could've achieve with them in the past and showcasing the hurtful unnecessacity of the Kaiten Removal, In My Opinion Samurai always was in a Good Spot*(*they announcement of the Shoha Changes of 5.1 made it hard for me to wait for it, true) until 6.1.. But 6.1 Samurai's saving grace was PvP, no doubt about that!
and then they nerfed PvP Samurai ._.

[xAFROx]

i cannot play Samurai for a long amount of time due to brainrot thanks to those 20 Kenki taunting me of the possibilities I could've achieve with them in the past and showcasing the hurtful unnecessacity of the Kaiten Removal, In My Opinion Samurai always was in a Good Spot*(*they announcement of the Shoha Changes of 5.1 made it hard for me to wait for it, true) until 6.1.. But 6.1 Samurai's saving grace was PvP, no doubt about that!
and then they nerfed PvP Samurai ._.

While I don't condone the removal of kaiten, I can at least say that the 20 kenki thing you keep talking about shouldn't be as bad as you say when looking at the game as a whole.

Pretty much every job with a gauge can't do anything with it until 50. I understand SAM is different in that regard, but the fact that literally everything on its kit had different costs originally, with everything being more uniform now, 20 kenki is probably the least of the issue. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they made senei and guren cost 50 again like it used to. It wasn't so bad and Ikishoten gives a flat 50, anyway. So lining that up wouldn't change and I believe that was how we typically used it back in ShB.

[Kira600]

I've kept switching and leveling new jobs since 6.2 to take the place of the now emaciated samurai I used to love, but I'm struggling. Ninja is pretty fun for it's quick button-pressing, but nothing has really felt right yet the way that the elegance of samurai did. I'm trying Black Mage to see if explodiness will satisfy some deep evil part of me, but I'm not optimistic that I'll ever find something as fun as samurai was.

Is it pathetic that I feel pangs of sadness when I equip my samurai gearset? I really shouldn't let it affect me like that XD