What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

It's nice to see that there's Japanese players who echo many of our same stances. Less nice to see that they, too, have to deal with their fair share of 'knights' as they aptly put it.

[SentioftheHoukai]

It's nice to see that there's Japanese players who echo many of our same stances. Less nice to see that they, too, have to deal with their fair share of 'knights' as they aptly put it.

Can I just say that I love that terminology? Just..... Knights. Yeah. Rolls right of the 'ole tongue it does.

[Rulakir]

It's nice to see that there's Japanese players who echo many of our same stances. Less nice to see that they, too, have to deal with their fair share of 'knights' as they aptly put it.

JP was throwing shade long before we were. There'd be no need to "communicate that Hydaelyn's not a bad guy" in the LL Q&A given the absolute unmitigated gush fest that was happening in the west at the time. As much as I'd love it if this thread factored into some of the backpedaling we saw with the Omega quest chain, I can't help but think the impetus for that was coming from JP players.

It just makes it all the more ridiculous when people try to say it's just a handful of people complaining in this thread. Not to mention that most of the people who hated EW unsubbed months ago, it's just us masochists sticking around hoping for something better in 6.2. :P

[Striker44]

It's nice to see that there's Japanese players who echo many of our same stances. Less nice to see that they, too, have to deal with their fair share of 'knights' as they aptly put it.

Well, I mean, technically that's true. It would be true of literally any topic under the sun, and with any group of people, that there would be someone somewhere who has a similar opinion as you, but...if it helps you sleep at night...

It just makes it all the more ridiculous when people try to say it's just a handful of people complaining in this thread.

Well, because it is. Peruse the thread a bit and you'll see the same handful of names coming up over and over again. Then go take a trip over to Youtube and start going through some EW videos. Can be gameplay, can be the OST, doesn't really matter. You'll be wading through hundreds and hundreds of comments from hundreds and hundreds of different people almost universally praising the game. It's like the shock some people experienced recently with that poll about characters and seeing so many of the Scions actually rank as very popular. If your view is limited to the echo chamber that is this forum, you'd be taken completely by surprise. But if you step back and see the bigger picture, you'll see that people's takes in general about EW are far and away that it's a great expansion with great characters.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

Well, I mean, technically that's true. It would be true of literally any topic under the sun, and with any group of people, that there would be someone somewhere who has a similar opinion as you, but...if it helps you sleep at night...



Well, because it is. Peruse the thread a bit and you'll see the same handful of names coming up over and over again. Then go take a trip over to Youtube and start going through some EW videos. Can be gameplay, can be the OST, doesn't really matter. You'll be wading through hundreds and hundreds of comments from hundreds and hundreds of different people almost universally praising the game. It's like the shock some people experienced recently with that poll about characters and seeing so many of the Scions actually rank as very popular. If your view is limited to the echo chamber that is this forum, you'd be taken completely by surprise. But if you step back and see the bigger picture, you'll see that people's takes in general about EW are far and away that it's a great expansion with great characters.

Have you considered for a moment that it is people like you who make those who are dissatisfied borderline scared of voicing their opinion? Because whenever even the slightest, tiniest bit of criticism is offered, people like you crawl out of the woodwork and start screaming about "HOW DARE! EVERYONE LOVES IT! YOU ARE WRONG!!1".
And then people like you and your amigos who cannot accept different opinions come into this thread, start screaming the same thing and insist that you are right.

Yes, this is exactly what happens here - those who are feverishly obsessed with the game insisting that it can do no wrong and that their opinion is the ultimate pinnacle of objectiveness just trample over those who dare to voice criticism. Scream them into the ground until they are too scared to say anything.

Then once something goes horribly wrong with the game you will also be the first ones to start whining "Why did nobody ever say anything?!".

[Cilia]

Have you considered for a moment that it is people like you who make those who are dissatisfied borderline scared of voicing their opinion? Because whenever even the slightest, tiniest bit of criticism is offered, people like you crawl out of the woodwork and start screaming about "HOW DARE! EVERYONE LOVES IT! YOU ARE WRONG!!1".
And then people like you and your amigos who cannot accept different opinions come into this thread, start screaming the same thing and insist that you are right.

Yes, this is exactly what happens here - those who are feverishly obsessed with the game insisting that it can do no wrong and that their opinion is the ultimate pinnacle of objectiveness just trample over those who dare to voice criticism. Scream them into the ground until they are too scared to say anything.

Then once something goes horribly wrong with the game you will also be the first ones to start whining "Why did nobody ever say anything?!".

I don't see anyone dissatisfied holding their tongues here, and from the sounds of it you're more interested in having other people validate your opinions on the subject than actually discussing them. Point of fact it seems to me the people who are satisfied with Endwalker and do enjoy its story and characters are the ones being shouted into silence, on this forum if nothing else.

If you want the official forums to be an Endwalker hate echo chamber... I mean... I guess that's fine, so long as you recognize it for what it is. But it's an open forum, and people with dissenting opinions are free to voice that. Criticize all you like - different strokes for different folks - but please don't insult, belittle, or attack people who contest your assertions. Respectfully.

[DevonEllwood]

If you want the official forums to be an Endwalker hate echo chamber... I mean... I guess that's fine, so long as you recognize it for what it is.

Even if it is, would it matter? The forums are also a housing hate echo chamber. It's a healing one-button-rotation hate echo chamber. If a thread on the forums has to become an echo chamber to give these people solace or get a point across, then I don't have a problem with it.

I saw a thread wanting more effort from people. I go to discussion subreddit and someone was explaining that one of their friends won't stop healing on red mage to "help" the healers. The subreddit is known to be more critical than the other ones, but even the response is "it's not savage, don't worry about it". Anywhere off the forums and being critical with anything about the game will usually result a vast majority of people defending the game.

There's also the fact that a lot of criticism about the game is initially labeled as trolling. Even a well known streamer took a look at this thread's title and called it trolling. It kind of sucks. It sucks the housing situation seems to have no end. It sucks that healers are no longer multi tasking and are reduced to spamming one button for 80% of the encounter. It sucks that hrothgar waited patiently for new hairstyles only to be given the option to turn into earrless Karens years later. The developers can do better. I feel the writers can do better than what we got in Endwalker.