What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[aveyond-dreams]

And a "reduced" lifespan is still much better than an enormous number of people with no lifespan at all because they were murdered as a sacrifice. I'm guessing you ignored my actual point because you realize you can't refute it. Thanks for playing

The final sacrifice they intended to make to Zodiark of lesser life forms would have liberated the human souls inside of him, returning them to a now stable planet. Basically a happy ending for humanity at the cost of life forms that were not their equivalent. Venat decided to get in the way of that and stripped the remnants of humanity of their immortality, changed their physical forms beyond recognition which forced them to evolve into the different spoken races, and left the others trapped within Zodiark with no means of escape.

Perhaps if she didn't do that they could make new concepts to send to fight Meteion, but alas she decided to become Hydaelyn and sunder the star instead because of her "fear" of the Plenty. Again, those of us who played through the Elpis sidequests aren't all that convinced that they would suffer that kind of fate because the Ancients are very much portrayed as a people who are good at keeping themselves busy. They had problems of their own and rather than seeking "comfort" their work seemed to focus moreso on functional additions to the world. They weren't trying to erase their pain, they were trying to figure out food chains and that sort of thing.

[Theodric]

Ah, I see a certain miqo'te is doing that thing most Venat enthusiasts seem to do where they pretend sources dismantling and correcting their points haven't just been posted multiple times as recent as a page or two ago.

[Vyrerus]

Thanks for playing

You didn't have a point, and you still don't.

You're willfully ignoring that Venat's actions brought a larger amount of death into the world, than otherwise would have happened with the sacrifices. She also sacrificed her own followers to herself. While also ignoring the Sundered worlds to be Rejoined, as that was an intrinsic part of her "plan." The plan being to accept the tender embrace of intimate Fate.

Anyway, pat yourself on the back some more. You possess a talent I never will. The ability to discard truth whenever the mood strikes you.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

And a "reduced" lifespan is still much better than an enormous number of people with no lifespan at all because they were murdered as a sacrifice. I'm guessing you ignored my actual point because you realize you can't refute it. Thanks for playing

You are a funny little man.

Nobody will get murdered, the people who sacrificed themselves were volunteers. The theoretical third sacrifice was never said to be people - for all we know it could have been a boatload of earth sprites.

So please stop patting yourself on the back while chuckling "eheheh GG EZ" under your breath.

[Graeham]

God Zodiark sell back all the soles to King Solus for the discount is why the third sacrifice is only the gil. Is cheaper than hire the God Yojimo or dog friend Daiguru. Not sacrifice is bargain.

[DevonEllwood]

The Sundering is not an act of genocide. A Genocide leads to the absolute death and end of a certain group.

"It's not genocide, people didn't actually die" you say. Cool story bro, still genocide



https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

If you are at a point where your story makes genocide a necessary or acceptable act committed by your hero, then you probably shouldn't write that story.

[Lauront]

I'm guessing you ignored my actual point because you realize you can't refute it. Thanks for playing

[BaconBits]

Ah, I see a certain miqo'te is doing that thing most Venat enthusiasts seem to do where they pretend sources dismantling and correcting their points haven't just been posted multiple times as recent as a page or two ago.

Oh goodie I get to post this again!

[Theodric]

It's a beautiful and very fitting message.

[Rulakir]

Every now and then I check to see what's being said over on 5ch. Here are some recent examples (edited character names and expansion titles):

Venat is a villain, a psychopath who imposed her ideals on humanity on her own, and I doubt she even had the intention of preventing the apocalypse in the first place.

Here's the thing, Emet-Selch and all of Ascians have turned into complete dumb clowns. ShB at least had a bone in it, but the Zodiark was treated like a chew dog and became stale, and then everything went to garbage with Kairos.

I'm already laughing at the fact that it was an EW Extra and not an Omega Extra, but there was a question in the Watcher section about who was to blame. Any honest user who has been following the storyline since its inception would have chosen "everyone was wrong", plus "Yoshida is wrong".

I think there are more than a few people who have reached the end of the line with EW. I think there are some people who quit after seeing the first part complete.

I know ShB is appreciated because the last part of 5.0 and the last part of 5.3 were good times, but EW had nothing good to say, so I don't know.

I'm not sure what the main story is about, but I think it's too half-hearted to just show off Azem's silly errand familiarity with each other and not write about what he was doing at the time of the apocalypse in the main story. The knights also say that they don't want to show his previous life in the first place, they just wanted to make a connection with Emet easily and are just running away from the difficult part by being duplicitous.

I'd like to try the scenario that originally existed before Ishikawa did whatever she wanted. I'd laugh if it was inferior to what's out there now.

I guess you're right. I mean, I can sympathize with Emet-Selch in some ways. He's a villain whose means are unacceptable, but he and the main character have something they can't compromise on, so they fought and defeated each other, and that's why he was so attractive. Elpis is beautiful, but there should have been more scenarios and maps of the empire. I would have preferred to see Hydaelyn or Zodiark in the last scene... What the hell was with that Zodiark?

The last part of the game was "I'm in pain, I'm in pain, please appreciate it" and I threw up.

Yoshida's signature "live-feeling" (don't worry about the details!) is used to change the setting, alter the past, and revise history. The majority of users who would not think too deeply will follow right along if someone close to them or someone they know says "This is good," they'll follow their lead. It's a necessary thing to raise doubts about whether it was really good or not.

I started it in March when it was recommended to me by someone who said "EW is awesome", but I was probably raising the bar unnecessarily and sighing when it deteriorated and stalled from ShB to EW, so the introducer's reputation went down only because people who don't usually read stories are impressed by such a thing.

I'd love to read any recommendations from the Knights who usually read books. I'm genuinely curious what kind of books you read that would narrow your horizons that much.

I guess I was patient enough to read it because it was supposed to be interesting until ShB. It was always a pain that the WoL's emotional expressions and choices didn't match the player's feelings at all.

Especially after defeating Innocence, there's a lot to get into. As for EW, well, it was hell after Elpis, so I don't have to tell you about it.

In the case of EW, the Ascians and Emet-Selch, who had been so well characterized, Kairos turned into complete clowns, and Zodiark turned out to be a small fry, and a crappy bird turned out to be the last boss.

I was impressed by the main story in ShB, but EW ruined the excitement of it.

I was soooo impressed for a few days after EW! But I wondered if it was as interesting as the storm of praise surrounding it. And then I started thinking, "I'm just going to have to agree with this (dissatisfaction) thread," and it was a quick fall from there.

I guess it's starting to sink in that EW's story is questionable, even for people overseas. You can see how the initial metascore was just momentum.
Yoshida has learned that it's profitable to push with that momentum (live feel).