What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Kazemon15]

We know this to not be the case, as pictured here:



This depiction is canon, and so we know that the Sundering unravelled the Ancients to the point where they had to re-evolve into the spoken races of the world. This transformation is so drastic and erased all but the faintest memories of the unsundered world, so I don't know what else you could call it.



The comparison of Hydaelyn to the Christian God is not an accurate one. Hydaelyn has demonstrated the qualities of pride and vanity in the face of the tragedy of the Final Days. By comparison, the Ancients around her were operating on logic while she attempted to preach to them about her ideals in the face of the most painful moment of their lives.

Needless to say it did not go down well. Who is she to preach to them? At that moment she certainly wasn't a being above them like the Christian God was to Adam and Eve.

Pair these qualities with her rebellion against the actual God that halted the final days, Zodiark, then what is she if not a fallen angel? Her actions and that of her biblical analogue condemned humanity to a spiral of suffering. We fought her on a literal lake of ice. Cold and beautiful, very accurate for this sort of villainous entity.

Yeah I don't consider a picture from a random youtube channel to be canon unless you can link me to the story on the actual SE site where it says this.

Emet-Selch said himself this:

(Im not sure how to link pictures here in case this isnt showing up:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vw971lybm7...t%204.jpg?dl=0

[Lauront]

Yeah I don't consider a picture from a random youtube channel to be canon unless you can link me to the story on the actual SE site where it says this.

Emet-Selch said himself this:

(Im not sure how to link pictures here in case this isnt showing up:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vw971lybm7...t%204.jpg?dl=0

It doesn't matter if you consider it to be canon or not. It is depicted from a crossover event in that game, which Ishikawa herself authored.

Your screenshot doesn't support what you're saying, either. He just says 'appearance' there. I don't have the EN version to hand, so I am going to quote from the FR one:

Emet-Selch : En tant que garde-fou de Zordiarche, Hydaelyn était dotée de capacités tout bonnement extraordinaires.
= “As Zodiark’s safeguard, Hydaelyn was endowed with simply extraordinary capabilities.”

[14:00] Emet-Selch : Des attaques qui, en plus de toucher l'enveloppe matérielle de l'adversaire, tranchaient jusqu'à son essence même... C'était du jamais vu.
= “Attacks that, in addition to touching the material envelope (body) of the opponent, cut to its very essence… It was never seen before.”

[14:00] Emet-Selch : Supposons que vous subissiez un tel assaut. Vous seriez alors scindée en deux personnes distinctes.
= “Suppose you were subject to such an assault. You would then be divided into two separate persons.”

[14:00] Emet-Selch : Vos incarnations se ressembleraient comme deux gouttes d'eau, mais chacune ne posséderait plus que la moitié de ce qui vous constitue, que ce soit votre force, votre intelligence, ou votre âme.
= “Your incarnations would be like two drops of water, but each one would possess only half of what constitutes you, whether it be your strength, your intelligence, or your soul.”

[14:00] Emet-Selch : C'est ce qui est arrivé à Zordiarche, et à cette planète tout entière.
= “That is what happened to Zodiark, and this entire planet.”

The EN version is the same, and someone else can supply the remaining screenshots for it.

[Kazemon15]

It doesn't matter if you consider it to be canon or not. It is depicted from a crossover event in that game, which Ishikawa herself authored.

Your screenshots don't support what you're saying, either. He just says 'appearance' there. I don't have the EN version to hand, so I am going to quote from the FR one:



The EN version is the same, and someone else can supply screenshots for it.

You mentioned in another post he didn't say they were identical, yet I just showed a screencap saying that they were, even using Ryne as an example. Which is what I had said in my previous post.

Yeah, well crossover games, why not add them to the actual canon story then?

Venat herself said there was no kindness or justice in the things she had did, yet everyone here is talking about how she intentionally did it with malicious intent, and therefore, she's this evil being with no black or white morality. The entire story is not black or white. It's a muddled gray area. All the characters are "evil" to some extent. No one is entirely "good." But blaming Venat for all the evils in the world certainly isn't fair or right, especially when the circumstances of not understanding Hermes's grief of death caused him to go overboard. It doesn't make him right either. None were right, but none were intentionally evil either.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

You mentioned in another post he didn't say they were identical, yet I just showed a screencap saying that they were, even using Ryne as an example. Which is what I had said in my previous post.

Yeah, well crossover games, why not add them to the actual canon story then?

Venat herself said there was no kindness or justice in the things she had did, yet everyone here is talking about how she intentionally did it with malicious intent, and therefore, she's this evil being with no black or white morality. The entire story is not black or white. It's a muddled gray area. All the characters are "evil" to some extent. No one is entirely "good." But blaming Venat for all the evils in the world certainly isn't fair or right, especially when the circumstances of not understanding Hermes's grief of death caused him to go overboard. It doesn't make him right either. None were right, but none were intentionally evil either.

Would you rather he actually sundered Ryne to show how it worked? Or have you considered that maybe he just knows that there is a good chance that we will not understand the details of sundering? Do you always take everything you see at absolute face value without putting a bit of thought into it?

[Kazemon15]

Would you rather he actually sundered Ryne to show how it worked? Or have you considered that maybe he just knows that there is a good chance that we will not understand the details of sundering? Do you always take everything you see at absolute face value without putting a bit of thought into it?

I don't understand what you mean by this? I absolutely do not see "everything at face value." Just because I don't agree with your interpretation of what the story means does not mean I "don't put thought" into what the story is trying to say.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

I don't understand what you mean by this? I absolutely do not see "everything at face value." Just because I don't agree with your interpretation of what the story means does not mean I "don't put thought" into what the story is trying to say.

I don't care about you agreeing with me, but you do take things at face value, otherwise you wouldn't be so determined to die on that hill of Emet showing us a literal depiction of the sundering instead of a abbreviated version that is easier to digest.

And you would not insist that Ancients don't grieve - Erichthonius would like to have a word with you about that. Or the ones who asked us about better funeral rites.