Am i really the only one that dislike Yoshi-P ?

[ShantiiElorei]

No, the reality is just that the English Forums are cringe. But we're not dangerous. Japan is the one who went nuts and sent them death threats!

I mean, I wouldn't assume no one in the English player base has done this just because you personally haven't seen it on the forums. Stuff like that isn't always posted on the forums. Sometimes it's posted on social media, sometimes it's sent via customer support tickets. I would not be surprised if English players absolutely have done this, having seen how often it happens to devs on US-based games.

Also, while there will always be people who shut down any criticism of their favorite game, whether it's voiced politely or not, from what I've seen there are also plenty of people who are fine with reasonable criticism, and may even have their own, but still take issue with those who outright harass the devs. There are things I'm currently not happy about (the mess that is housing) but overall I still really love this game and do think the devs are trying their best to deliver a good product, and think the way some people voice their complaints is not constructive at all.

This. As a WoW refugee, I initially thought FFXIV was a breath of fresh air, but I'm being increasingly reminded of Blizzard. Not just cause of the the devs, but even the forums are extremely reminiscent of WoW's before the exodus. Does feedback make any difference if it's something Yoshi-P personally doesn't want to do? How much does it matter if one set of devs were openly hostile towards their playerbase while an other's aren't if the outcome of "my way or the highway" is still the same?

As another former WoW player, I'm not sure I agree. Granted I haven't spent much time on these forums, but the few times I've lurked here, they seem much less toxic than the WoW forums. I couldn't even look at the WoW forums most of the time because it was just stressful and rage-inducing the things people would post there and the way they'd talk to other players with little to no mod action taken.

And I don't get the sense from the devs on this game that they don't listen to the player base. Maybe they aren't doing what you personally want them to, but overall they do seem to lean more towards trying to make as many people happy as possible. But sometimes what one player wants directly conflicts with another, and it can't be both ways, so they're probably gonna go with what they think will make the most people happy or what will work best. That's not the same as ignoring player feedback/saying "my way or the highway."

In general the philosophy of this game seems very much to be "play the way you want to play" with plenty of different types of content for casual and hardcore players, which is VERY different from how WoW handles things.

[Axxion]

that's pretty fucking unhinged.

you didnt know ff is a cult?

you should have seen the one about having different music on mounts. that was also bad

[Lauront]

I can't imagine any decent candidate looking at these forums and thinking, "yeah, I wanna mod that"

But somehow they're able to find mods for Twitter and Reddit, which are cesspits... how is that? Sorry but this isn't much of an excuse.

But then you realize it's the same few people

Same few people white knighting all the time - you do come up a lot in that category.

This really isn't the strong argument you think it is. Reddit is a hivemind, but it's not always a negative one. Not even close. If you followed any game, live action series, anime or even political subreddit, the opinion always tend towards one direction. The Star Wars prequel subreddit tends overwhelmingly towards positive, but will you say that they were good or popular movies with the masses? If you want another example, try to say that you didn't like the messy Wano arc in One Piece's mainsub and see how it goes.
Some communities even have very distinct positive and negative subreddits (even heard of r/gameofthrones vs r/freefolk?)

So the fact that EW is popular on FFXIV's main sub means absolutely nothing.

Indeed, it's one of the most peculiar defences I've seen utilised in defending the game. That site may as well be a shrine to the game at times.

Man, this reminds me of a time months ago when I posted on one of the threads in r/ffxiv about my dissatisfaction with the Endwalker story. I was instantly at like -60 downvotes, my comment was buried, and angry fans were typing out long paragraphs to me laced with profanity. The FFXIV subreddit is truly something else.

That happened to a person I know on here as well, with the usual slipping into DMs, stalking and other associated hostility. We've seen how elements of this community treat streamers who dare express a dissenting view as well.

[Axxion]

But somehow they're able to find mods for Twitter and Reddit, which are cesspits... how is that? Sorry but this isn't much of an excuse.

dont forget twitch.

[Moshimoshikami]

Lol I never said that XD.

Let me help:
- Give feedback to drive the developpers to fix issues and improve the game = GOOD
- Telling someone is faking tears to get sympathy = BAD

Like seriously, if I was a developper, I would NEVER open the forum, it would break me.

[Lihluh]

Lol I never said that XD.

Let me help:
- Give feedback to drive the developpers to fix issues and improve the game = GOOD
- Telling someone is faking tears to get sympathy = BAD

Like seriously, if I was a developper, I would NEVER open the forum, it would break me.

That's exactly what i'm thinking. Sometimes if i read some posts in these forum it makes me shudder

[Merrigan]

Right but how do you respond to him simply brushing off players concerns about heal game play with "oh just do ultimate lol"? Obviously you shouldn't levi death threats and that kind of behavior, but if that is the response to all concerns, what do you do?

I fully agree that the healers need to be reviewed.

Having said that, I suspect a simple communication error on his part. Something that happens to everyone. In exactly the same way, wow players screamed when they were told not to play a certain warlock spec, claiming it was the ultimate disrespect.

When in fact, it was certainly an admission of weakness, lack of planning, an unfortunate phrase dropped a bit quickly or simply that the developers were in some kind of impasse at that moment.

So it doesn't seem to me to be enough to hate a director who manages his MMORPG well; and who, above all, keeps the right to be human (and therefore to make mistakes).

[Kaurhz]

Lol I never said that XD.

Let me help:
- Give feedback to drive the developpers to fix issues and improve the game = GOOD
- Telling someone is faking tears to get sympathy = BAD

Like seriously, if I was a developper, I would NEVER open the forum, it would break me.

I would argue that the developers themselves have much better things to do on their spare time or even working hours for that matter than scouring the forums for feedback. That work is almost certain to be within someone else's remit.

That said, yeah, this is the last place I would like to browse, to be honest. It's hostile nonsense with people crying foul at absolutely everything, and I mean by that... If you have a negative view or feedback you're labeled as a troll, or just melodramatic. Conversely, if you're someone that has a positive outlook or disagrees with the feedback then you're either a white knight, simp, or a bootlicker

[Liam_Harper]

There is a lot I dislike about the game and many things Yoshida has said that annoy me or are just straight up insulting.

...But no, I don't dislike the guy. I have plenty of respect for him. MMO design isn't easy and I've got a few years entertainment out of ff14 which is great. Doesn't mean SE are entitled to my cash or I'll stop complaining about things I dislike, but there's nothing personal here for me, just feedback on a product.

[Vahlnir]

I fully agree that the healers need to be reviewed.

Having said that, I suspect a simple communication error on his part. Something that happens to everyone. In exactly the same way, wow players screamed when they were told not to play a certain warlock spec, claiming it was the ultimate disrespect.

When in fact, it was certainly an admission of weakness, lack of planning, an unfortunate phrase dropped a bit quickly or simply that the developers were in some kind of impasse at that moment.

So it doesn't seem to me to be enough to hate a director who manages his MMORPG well; and who, above all, keeps the right to be human (and therefore to make mistakes).

The main issue with that warlock spec debacle is that Ion was and still is an egotistical jerk who laughs as he makes these sorts of admissions, which is exactly what he did there. I would know. I watched it live. He doesn't talk to the player base. He either talks at them or down to them. In that particular situation, he talked down to them. Yoshi P didn't fall until that category until recently, in my opinion, but he definitely has his foot in the door as of 6.1. I really hope he doesn't go full Ion, because I really don't think Yoshi P is a bad guy. It just feels like he lost his way.