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    Quote Originally Posted by Moshimoshikami View Post
    Yoshida is not an actor paid by Square Enix to fake tears and do some sick marketing.
    He's a pationate game developper with huge responsabilities on his shoulders.
    He's dedicating his life to make ff14 successful.
    Who the hell are you to criticize him for crying when things are rough?

    Also he has never mocking in an ill intended way the playerbase.
    Its only the playerbase overreacting to a joke about an issue he is aware about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Codeword for: They're not human, they're just a soulless company, that means I can act like a dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Codeword for: They're not human, they're just a soulless company, that means I can act like a dick.
    No, it's code for "They're a multimillion dollar company, let's not expect the same effort and quality as we do for small indie companies". Square Enix isn't some tiny company that can't afford to fix things. Yes, we can treat the employees like humans. But when the employees underdeliver compared to what they're capable of, it's fair to ask why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Also may I say I really hate the "Am I really the only one who x" statments? No, you're not the only one. Stop pretending youre some special snowflake believing that nobody but you is capable of having different opinions.

    You see this all the time and its just ugh.
    If the FFXIV community wasn't such a pro-Yoshi P echo chamber in pretty much every social media hub except the Official Forums, maybe people wouldn't feel alone when they stop to ask if the praise is actually warranted. For example, if you go on Reddit, you'll find nothing but praise for the dev team, and any anti-dev post gets downvoted to oblivion.

    If you find that question annoying it's most likely because you're on the more popular side of arguments more often than not, never leading you to have to ask that. If you're of the popular opinion, you don't have to look far to find people who agree with you.
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 07-16-2022 at 11:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    If the FFXIV community wasn't such a pro-Yoshi P echo chamber in pretty much every social media hub except the Official Forums, maybe people wouldn't feel alone when they stop to ask if the praise is actually warranted. For example, if you go on Reddit, you'll find nothing but praise for the dev team, and any anti-dev post gets downvoted to oblivion.

    If you find that question annoying it's most likely because you're on the more popular side of arguments more often than not, never leading you to have to ask that. If you're of the popular opinion, you don't have to look far to find people who agree with you.
    Maybe people just can't stand all the negativity. We have enough in the world. Things aren't perfect, but there's a right and a wrong way to address that fact. You can't just bully your point across and have people be receptive. I look at some of the responses to different items and I don't believe most these people honestly care about what it is they're talking about. They just wanna complain and get in a fight, so they call people dumb and white knight.
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    Last edited by Deveryn; 07-16-2022 at 12:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Maybe people just can't stand all the negativity. We have enough in the world. Things aren't perfect, but there's a right and a wrong way to address that fact. I (mean) look at some of the responses to different items and I don't believe most these people honestly care about what it is they're talking about.
    What you said is true on some levels, but negativity serves a purpose, and the people trying to shut down all negativity are just as bad, if not worse in some cases. When you don't have negativity, sure it makes some people happy in the short term, but the product we all love ultimately stagnates, decays, then dies. That's the future of this game as it is. Nothing improves because the only thing out there are posts about how great everything is. If you have an issue with the game, you can't express that on places like Reddit without the fear of being downvoted so much that your post never sees the light of day, and it's not unfounded.

    People don't say negative things because they want to see the game crash and burn, they say them because they care. Some of us have noticed serious flaws in the game, and we're pointing them out so they can get fixed. We're telling you that there's a weakness in the Titanic, and we're all on course for a head-on collision with the iceberg, but the crew labels us lunatics and keeps forging ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    You can't just bully your point across and have people be receptive. They just wanna complain and get in a fight, so they call people dumb and white knight.
    People are getting sick of being told that their opinion doesn't matter if it's negative or that they're not welcome in the community if they're not overly positive. The toxic positivity crowd has been trying to bully 'negative' people into submission, hoping that if they bully people enough, they'll just leave, and they can have their perfect little utopia. I've seen it happen all over the official forums. I've even seen some people that have gone off the deep end, abandoning all sense of logic in trying to discredit anyone with dissenting opinions, and I can name their usernames. And you want to tell me that the negative people are bullies? Spare me.

    If you want an example, a person named Lyth recently tried to rally the forums against two users who they claimed were alts of the same person because the two people shared a similar opinion and were both male Hyur. Why? Because they dared question the story of Endwalker. They dared be dissatisfied with how that story ended the 10 year arc.
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 07-16-2022 at 12:43 PM. Reason: One sentence read REALLY weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    If you want an example, a person named Lyth recently tried to rally the forums against two users who they claimed were alts of the same person because the two people shared a similar opinion and were both male Hyur. Why? Because they dared question the story of Endwalker. They dared be dissatisfied with how that story ended the 10 year arc.
    that's pretty fucking unhinged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    that's pretty fucking unhinged.
    That it was! I actually had to double take when I read the first post in their campaign against the supposed 'alts'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    that's pretty fucking unhinged.
    you didnt know ff is a cult?

    you should have seen the one about having different music on mounts. that was also bad
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    Last edited by Axxion; 07-16-2022 at 07:37 PM.
    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Maybe people just can't stand all the negativity. We have enough in the world. Things aren't perfect, but there's a right and a wrong way to address that fact. You can't just bully your point across and have people be receptive. I look at some of the responses to different items and I don't believe most these people honestly care about what it is they're talking about. They just wanna complain and get in a fight, so they call people dumb and white knight.
    You make a fair point in saying that people don't need to be negative all the time, and that constantly bashing on the game for every singular flaw is petty and abhorrent.

    BUT the reality is that whenever people point out something that's wrong with the game, it's just as easily shut down and dismissed. Either because people are comfortable with how the game is, because people just don't agree with that it's a flaw in the first place, or just overall make fun of people who point negatives in general.

    For real, there was a really tacky Hyur in Paladin Armour that consigned people who complained to Hell (if you're reading this btw, go back to mass). I mean, really? We're being like that now?

    There is no balance. It's true that doing nothing but being overwhelmingly negative is more of a hassle than it has to be. But christ, have you SEEN the way people who defend the dev team and the game act? It's all brownie points for a group of people who really couldn't care less that they exist. And it's not a lie at all to say that the game has flaws, be it design flaws, communication flaws or just decisions the devs took. To some people it's a flaw that makes or breaks a piece of content, to others it's nitpicking. But it doesn't make those complaints valid in any way. Yet the moment those people show up, they not only dismiss everything people say, they even go so far as to act as though NOTHING is wrong and that everything they do is enjoyable and perfect.

    It really scares some people away from singing the game's honestly valid, existing and good praises. Because all it takes is for you to acknowledge one negative and suddenly people turn against you as if you're hurting Yoshida's feelings and send him death threats.

    No, the reality is just that the English Forums are cringe. But we're not dangerous. Japan is the one who went nuts and sent them death threats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    No, it's code for "They're a multimillion dollar company, let's not expect the same effort and quality as we do for small indie companies". Square Enix isn't some tiny company that can't afford to fix things. Yes, we can treat the employees like humans. But when the employees underdeliver compared to what they're capable of, it's fair to ask why.
    How do you know what they're capable of? How do you know what their resources are or the budget they're allowed by their parent company is? Do you work there? Are you the CFO approving or denying those budget items?

    Why is it so hard to just keep the personal out of things and say "I'm very unhappy with X decision and these are the reasons why I feel it's a bad move"?
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