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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    Does Emet-Selch work without the bond with Azem? Yes, he's a fantastic character and ShB is still an enjoyable experience without that context. However, does it add complexity and depth otherwise enhancing not only his character but the interaction with yours? Definitely.

    Does Hydaelyn's dialog regarding the Azem crystal make any overall difference? No, not particularly. Does it cause confusion and take you out of the moment because you're asking yourself, "Wait, what? How does that make sense?" Absolutely.

    Saying the dialog is the same between languages though is patently false and I'm somewhat amazed at the brazenness given the multiple examples throughout this thread that prove otherwise.
    Every example given literally portrays the same message...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jemachu View Post
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    At that time we are in possession of Azem's crystal. Yes Emet did carry it around but he wasn't the intended bearer.

    And the first part both talks about being confident, just that the DE one spells it out for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    At that time we are in possession of Azem's crystal. Yes Emet did carry it around but he wasn't the intended bearer.

    And the first part both talks about being confident, just that the DE one spells it out for you.
    The word used was 'original' not 'intended' though. It's needless confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    The word used was 'original' not 'intended' though. It's needless confusion.
    Azem did carry it, but as you recall he left his position leaving the 14th seat vacant in the midst of the crisis so Emet carried the crystal for safe-keeping and respect.

    Edit: I now recall this statement being wrong, was thinking about the crystals existing like badges prior to the split but that was not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank View Post
    Azem did carry it, but as you recall he left his position leaving the 14th seat vacant in the midst of the crisis so Emet carried the crystal for safe-keeping and respect.
    ...Emet made the crystal after Azem had already left the Convocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tama-Kanzashi View Post
    ...Emet made the crystal after Azem had already left the Convocation.
    Ok found the short story, yeah the were all made in union with Lahabrea and Elidibus about their memories of the fourteen members, except for Azem. Which Emet made in secret.

    Still the text makes it clear that it's referring to Azem, unless you are pedantic...
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    Just going to add that at least in FR and DE the person being referred to is gendered to the WoL, so you know for certain Hydaelyn is speaking of their Azem. Regardless, the other languages refer to the creator of the magic not who 'bore' the crystal. It made me think whoever wrote that dialog forgot that Emet had created it in secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jemachu View Post
    Whilst I'm not going to endure EW again to find dialogue, there is one particular example that immediately comes to mind from the cutscene post Mothercrystal trial:

    EN: "When the way forward is hidden even from the mind's eye, look not to the invocation, but within yourself. These were the words of the crystal's original bearer."

    DE: "Walk confidently towards your goal, following the dearest wish in your heart. Only then those powers will unfurl. Those were the words of the creator of this magic." (Original DE translated by Tama.)

    The EN translation was pretty confusing honestly, as the original bearer of the crystal was Emet-Selch...not Azem. Yet the DE dialogue makes it clear that Hydaelyn is in fact referencing Azem here. Perhaps you could enlighten me with the JP dialogue for comparison as I'd like to know with certainty who is meant to be being referenced here.
    I don't understand what you find confusing about the EN version there...Its literally saying the same thing as your DE translation.
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