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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhanu View Post
    Ultimately I don't think the FFXIV localisation team is responsible for consumer error due to consumer inability to cope with the Ascians not actually being in the right.
    I am honestly unsure what is with your frankly off-topic and very bizarre fixation on Ascians, but I can only assume it is an inability to cope with Emet-Selch having a point and remaining this game's most popular character since his introduction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teraq View Post
    I am honestly unsure what is with your frankly off-topic and very bizarre fixation on Ascians, but I can only assume it is an inability to cope with Emet-Selch having a point and remaining this game's most popular character since his introduction.
    Hey, I love Emet, he's my second or third favourite character in the game.

    His fans, on the other hand, all-too-frequently critically fail basic reading comprehension.
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    I don't mind the eloquent speech and ye olde English, but I don't like when it results in certain details being obfuscated for people who are less prone to reading into things; Midgarsormr's speech at the Keeper of the Lake being a good example of that.

    It's kind of awkward that while they claim to have adopted the numbered spell names for the sake of "clarity" to the western audience, they also changed the script in ways that makes things less clear vs. the other translations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lhanu View Post
    Hey, I love Emet, he's my second or third favourite character in the game.

    His fans, on the other hand, all-too-frequently critically fail basic reading comprehension.
    It's funny you say that because I tend to see the other camp being just as, if not more prone to misinterpreting/misquoting things; a common trend being to speak in absolutes about things that were left up in the air, like claiming that the Ancients would have met the same fate as the people of the Plenty when it was stated that it was just Venat's fear of that fate that was a factor in why she made the choice she did.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 07-12-2022 at 09:05 AM.

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    Yes, I'm sure many here are aware of the bizarre attempts to justify the genocide of an entire species and blame them for being placed in that situation by the same individual responsible for their demise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Yes, I'm sure many here are aware of the bizarre attempts to justify the genocide of an entire species and blame them for being placed in that situation by the same individual responsible for their demise.
    Yes, yes, we know you hate Venat. You've only dragged like 10 threads down that rabbit hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Yes, yes, we know you hate Venat. You've only dragged like 10 threads down that rabbit hole.
    Less rabbit hole and more grand canyon of evidence that she is just a horrible horrible person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Yes, yes, we know you hate Venat. You've only dragged like 10 threads down that rabbit hole.
    I don't hate Venat. I find the writing around her to be very questionable. Especially after a decade of certain posters and the game itself swearing up and down that no matter how sympathetic the plight of the antagonists happen to be, certain red lines could never be crossed. Then the pretty 'mOmMy' character crosses the same red line and suddenly it's perfectly acceptable to partake of genocide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Yes, I'm sure many here are aware of the bizarre attempts to justify the genocide of an entire species and blame them for being placed in that situation by the same individual responsible for their demise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I don't hate Venat. I find the writing around her to be very questionable. Especially after a decade of certain posters and the game itself swearing up and down that no matter how sympathetic the plight of the antagonists happen to be, certain red lines could never be crossed. Then the pretty 'mOmMy' character crosses the same red line and suddenly it's perfectly acceptable to partake of genocide.
    So you didn't actually follow the story then? Got it...
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    I feel there are three possible outcomes that could have occurred if the Ancients were allowed to go ahead with their Zodiark plan and Venat (and those who shared her view) chooses to just sit back and watch.
    1. The planet goes on as normal until everything else in the universe is dead.
    2. The planet goes on as normal once all the new races are sacrificed and the Ancients revived... but then what? Those who were enthralled no longer have a purpose. There's a possibility that those tempered by Zodiark will "retire," now that their purpose is done. If Zodiark's Primal influence is just by proximity, then the people can live on just fine (but Elidibus will forever be alone). But if its on a global scale... now nothing could happen, but those tempered by Primals tend to only have one goal/purpose and I doubt Zodiark really needs any help keeping the Final Song at bay.
    3. Themis is killed in Pandaemonium (no WoL to travel back in time) and whatever is in there that's capable of corrupting the Ancients is able to leave unabated.

    Anyway, that all has nothing to do with localisation. I'm personally fine with how the localisation is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    1. The planet goes on as normal once all the new races are sacrificed and the Ancients revived... but then what? Those who were enthralled no longer have a purpose. There's a possibility that those tempered by Zodiark will "retire," now that their purpose is done. If Zodiark's Primal influence is just by proximity, then the people can live on just fine (but Elidibus will forever be alone). But if its on a global scale... now nothing could happen, but those tempered by Primals tend to only have one goal/purpose and I doubt Zodiark really needs any help keeping the Final Song at bay.

    Anyway, that all has nothing to do with localisation. I'm personally fine with how the localisation is.
    Ignoring the fact that this has nothing to do with localization, it was never stated anywhere that the sacrifices were "new races". All the known races that live on the planet present day are races that came into being after the Sundering had already happened.

    Primals temper according to their purpose, and Zodiark's purpose was always "salvation". Nothing will happen if there is no situation where the people need salvation. Zodiark would be doing pirouettes in orbit and life would probably go on as normal. And also, according to the game itself, the "tempering" that Zodiark supposedly did to the Ancients was very different from the tempering of the crude Primals of the tribes whose summoning process was intentionally introduced to them in a botched fashion. It is supposedly much milder and more like a slight nudge.
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    While you were studying the blade, I was learning about better recycling methods from Elidibus.

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