To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[VelKallor]

Funny how you immediately decide that your playstyle is the more valuable playstyle.

No, different. Ill tank mine my way and you do the same.

. So yes, the majority of the community defaults to w2w

Says who? Source? Proof? Rationale? Youve played on Ravana? Bismarck? Zurvan? Kujata? Tonberry? No?

...so how do you know what the "majority" does?

That argument doesn't apply here when JP servers are the only servers that don't w2w by default

No, they dont, and I admire them for that. Again, i have had healers THANK ME for not making their lives a misery,. groups happy that we got it done in one run and zero wipes.

So it takes a few more minutes..so what? Again..wheres the fire? Whats the hurry?

but above that I feel as if there are no excuses.

Your opinon is noted......and rejected.

[Bobby66]

Yes.

Other servers, other datacentres dont play the same way, and you are NOT in a position to tell everyone "play this way or else".

I ask again . WHATS THE RUSH? WHATS THE HURRY?

Is there some reason every instance needs to go a 10000 miles an hour? if so what is it? I mean it, some of these instances, especially the later ones, are beautiful and a lot to see, appreciate the artwork, the music...so why do we need to GOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGO...why?

Literally

WHY?

The "community" is a vast and massively diverse population, and each of them plays their own way..no one sets a "standard by which if you dont do it this way you dont belong in a dungeon". JP plays differently to LA, OCE has their own norms and to tell the truth, a lot of them dont want to drive their healers insane by pulling wall to wall , watching the party die one by one.

I have an old axiom of my own "Dont do it fast, do it right", fast does NOT mean better.

Not by any stretch of the imagination

To be fair that is a dated concept, doing it fast and right are the standard not just in game but in life. Efficiency is often based around speed. If one cannot do it fast and right they will find someone that can. Be in game or in life.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I 100% agree with OP for saying that dungeons post ARR are designed to being able to pull 2 mob sets at a time. However, baby tanks are still baby tanks. They're still people out there whom are trying to learn their class, how to properly mitigate, how to juggle optimal dps etc. Tanking has gotten easy for sure but there's still a bit of a learning curve to obtain the level of confidence in both your pulls and for mitigation. Either just learn to deal with people learning to tank or just seriously leave the party if you're gonna wind up being that butthurt about it. Who gives a crap?

As for you constantly running into tanks or players that dont respond, have you never ever considered that they may be console players? Where quick responses in chat arent as feasible to them at all without keyboard and mouse?

[VelKallor]

To be fair that is a dated concept, doing it fast and right are the standard not just in game but in life.

*collapses laughing*

Mate, I can think of at least ten fields of expertise incl medical where that is NOT the case at all. When you are analysing an entire spreadsheet of data and looking for a specific trend or a specific results, you take your time and go over it line by line.

With a patients file, you sit down and read it all, doctors notes, medical test results, nurses notes..you take your time , you read it all you do NOT rush. Ever.

Efficiency is often based around speed. If one cannot do it fast and right they will find someone that can. Be in game or in life

You have GOT to be kidding.

[YukikoKurosawa]

So let me get this straight.

I don't have the right, nor do the othe 2 players in my part, to so much as SUGGEST that the tank pull more than one mob at a time.

But the tank has the right to do whatever they want, even if nobody else in the group wants one-mob pulls, all the while rudely ignoring afformentioned suggestions and just continuing to play at their own pace to the detriment of everyone else in their party?

And somehow I'm the entitled one? Can I get a QRD on how this makes even one iota of sense.

[Atelier-Bagur]

So let me get this straight.

I don't have the right, nor do the othe 2 players in my part, to so much as SUGGEST that the tank pull more than one mob at a time.

But the tank has the right to do whatever they wants, even if nobody else in the group wants one-mob pulls, all the while rudely ignoring afformentioned suggestions and just continuing to play at their own pace to the detriment of everyone else in their party?

And somehow I'm the entitled one? Can I get a QRD on how this makes even one iota of sense.

Acting like a big baby and whining to the forums about running into people who do slow mob pulls is such a waste of your time. Instead of trying to put up a pointless argument that I'm sure give it a month or so we will see this topic resurface again, how about just do what you've been doing, continue to offer tanks to confidently pull big, and if they dont respond either suck it up and deal with it or just leave the party? Some people in this thread point it out, there's a variety of people of skill levels, just because you find this game so boringly easy doesnt mean this correlates to the entire playerbase. I get you, it does feel like a drag when you run dungeons with tanks who dont do wall to wall pulls, especially as a healer. But I learned to offer them to go ahead and do big pulls and if they dont then I just deal with it and not throw into a hissy fit whenever I dont get my way.

[Gemina]

Out of curiosity, what dungeon was this?

About the only modern gated dungeon I've ever flat out not had resources for on SCH was the very first Bardam's pull back when it was relevant and I was still wearing HW raid gear. I'll take a portion of the blame as well for not getting my fairy/aetherflow up in time and getting caught napping as the tank steamed off. Outside of that occurrence years ago I can't think of a single occasion leveling or otherwise where the trash has been overwhelming to the point that I couldn't just brute force it with GCDs if need be.

It was the most recent dungeon. And I wasn't healing on my SCH. I was healing on my WHM. So now I really bet you're scratching your head.

Tell you what though. Why don't I go ahead and eliminate any scrutinizing of my ability to heal a tank during W2W pulls, and I will go ahead and take full accountability for that wipe. Heals came slow, probably didn't have regen up, was likely sitting on a CD, maybe two, Especially considering I just hit 90 with WHM and still getting used to Bell; and I was also too focused on not letting lilies cap so I can whip out Misery on the regular.

Ok. So if you were the tank in this group, why on earth would you pull W2W when you know your healer can't keep up? That's my question for you, and just about any other "experienced" tank. Because I will will tell you one thing: I am definitely not the game's best healer, but I've been doing it long enough to know when my tank is a selfish PoS.

[Bobby66]

*collapses laughing*

Mate, I can think of at least ten fields of expertise incl medical where that is NOT the case at all. When you are analysing an entire spreadsheet of data and looking for a specific trend or a specific results, you take your time and go over it line by line.

With a patients file, you sit down and read it all, doctors notes, medical test results, nurses notes..you take your time , you read it all you do NOT rush. Ever.



You have GOT to be kidding.

Oh, yeah not that is not how it works. I can tell you from experience that doctors scan the patients files just before seeing the patient it is rare when a doctor takes the time to read every note. The sad truth is most doctors have to work per volume that is why they double and triple book appointments. Need to quick to be efficient cause you will have major delays people waiting hours in the waiting the room. When it comes reading the results of the scan you generally get to a point where you simply scan through it and get the general idea. I mean sure it is different for specialists or private pay doctors but general practice that is a pure volume game. Thus speed is important, as I said remember it is about doing it FAST AND RIGHT, so why would any company rather have someone that does it SLOW AND RIGHT when they can find someone that will do FAST AND RIGHT. A lot of fish in the sea so to speak, taking your time with things is going the way of the dodo. People want stuff done fast as possible while also being done correctly.

You also pick the worst example you could, at times you are racing against the clock. Our daily lives are moving quicker than ever, like it or not the slow and steady approach is a dated concept in the modern world.

[VelKallor]

I don't have the right, nor do the othe 2 players in my part, to so much as SUGGEST that the tank pull more than one mob at a time.

You dont have thre right to tell others "pull wall to wall is the community standard and if you dont then go use Trusts"

Lemme give you a word of advice "Player made rules arent worth the paper they arent written on".

Others will play as suits THEM, not you.

[MilkieTea]

How is that griefing exactly? They decided to pull when even the Novice training says that's the tanks job. You don't get to overstep then expect others to cover you for your choice to do as such, then report people if they don't.

YPYT is only an issue because hot heads want to do the tanks job. You'll never encounter it if you stay in your own lane role wise.

I'll say this to any tanks that may be reading this, pull at your own pace. So long as youre mitigating and keeping aggro you're doing your job.