To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[Haventale]

Well it’s pretty rare that I see a single-pulling tank, but regardless of anything, my general advice is:

1) If someone isn’t being mean, then there’s no reason to be upset. They haven’t actually done anything wrong.
2) You don’t really have a right to criticize someone playing a role you didn’t queue as. If you wanted that role to play a certain way, you should have queued as that yourself.
3) It’s not the tank’s fault healer gameplay is designed the way it is. Blame SE if you’re bored, not the tank. They didn’t make you player healer, you chose to.
4) Remember you’re the one who chose to queue with randoms. Nobody made you do that, that was your choice to accept getting literally any possible kind of player in this game. Maybe you should learn to accept the potential outcomes of your decisions.

[Vahlnir]

It is NOT a Meta nor mandatory for every tank to follow certain routines; given they’re still keeping foes at bay.

Some tanks are still on the learning curve, some just wish to follow the safer approach.

While it is encouraged to pull multiple mobs at once (provided their tanking comfort level) it is not a norm & therefore not that much of a bothersome.

I believe you’re announcing for every tank to rush in as it pleases you.

Can’t accomodate external factors at your expense.

It kind of is a meta of sorts. At the very least pulling big is a community standard. I'll never push a tank to do more than they are comfortable with, but if a tank is pulling one group at a time...they will probably get an eyeroll or two from me irl. For the sake of keeping the peace, however, I always suck it up and deal with it and stay quiet. It is best for tanks to take it slow if they are still learning. If this is how they handle things after that though...well, that will be a lesson they will have to learn on their own.

[Bunnycake]

Might be a bot. I've seen some DPS bots so why not a tank bot? Or maybe they got big, dumb brain. Maybe they suck?

I have seen tank bots so it's likely this as well

[Mika_Zahard]

Hoo boy, haven't had this thread in a bit.

In ARR dungeons, evaluate the party and play accordingly. Lower level DPS might not have their AoE skills yet, or a new healer might panic and/or not know their spells too well yet, not to mention superfluous trash mobs in some dungeons like Brayflox and Aurum Vale. But by, say, the Vault at the latest, it's time to start going full throttle. As long as the tank's rotating their CDs properly, most trash mobs hit like a pile of half-cooked spaghetti. One or two dungeons might be exceptions (Bardam's Mettle can get rough, Dohn Mheg has those fuath in the beginning that buff the other mobs if not interrupted), but for the most part, there's no real reason to hold back anymore.

Yukiko is talking about HW dungeon onwards, not ARR ones.

[TaleraRistain]

When we use the random matching system in the game, then we're going to get players with a wide variety of styles, experience, and abilities. Those tanks are pulling the way that is comfortable. As a healer, I never ask to pull more. I tell them I have their back if they want to try, but I am good at whatever pace they set. I've had many take me up on the offer, because they know there won't be any vitriol coming from me about their style. Everyone likes to go on about this being a team-based game. Well, teams know how to cooperate and shore each other's weak points up.

Also, if the issue is *only* the pull size, then the mobs die just as fast on small pulls as large pulls. I've never in 8 years seen a run delayed by just a tank who pulled smaller groups. We melt those small groups, especially if I'm able to dps more with less healing needed. If a run is taking twice as long, there's a problem somewhere else. Most likely it's low dps, either from dps who wouldn't be able to handle large pulls anyway or others not trying because they're salty that the tank is pulling smaller groups.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Yukiko is talking about HW dungeon onwards, not ARR ones.

And other people brought up Sastasha and other low-level dungeons. I'm just giving my general thoughts.

[TaleraRistain]

Well it’s pretty rare that I see a single-pulling tank, but regardless of anything, my general advice is:

1) If someone isn’t being mean, then there’s no reason to be upset. They haven’t actually done anything wrong.
2) You don’t really have a right to criticize someone playing a role you didn’t queue as. If you wanted that role to play a certain way, you should have queued as that yourself.
3) It’s not the tank’s fault healer gameplay is designed the way it is. Blame SE if you’re bored, not the tank. They didn’t make you player healer, you chose to.
4) Remember you’re the one who chose to queue with randoms. Nobody made you do that, that was your choice to accept getting literally any possible kind of player in this game. Maybe you should learn to accept the potential outcomes of your decisions.

This

Especially #4. You wouldn't go into a nightclub expecting to not pay a cover charge. The cover charge for Duty Roulette is that you can get absolutely anything. And if you want to succeed, you do what's necessary to make it work or leave like an adult if that makeup just isn't going to succeed. We used to have to queue for this solo (at least Leveling). SE gave us a way to control our experience. We can take premade groups in that completely fit our expectations. Otherwise, we're tacitly agreeing that we're giving up that control in favor of letting the system match us.

[Bobby66]

If we are being honest, tank AoE is enough to mass pull Sastasha and many early level dungeons. Sure it might require the healer to spam heals, but it is very much possible. Now it is quicker or easier? That is a different question.

In most cases I have found if you have single pull tank, if you pull for them and make sure to bring them back most will do their aoe combo and call it a day. Very rarely do you run into the tab target single target rotation tank to avoid the adds, since sooner or later the healer will get the aggro. DPS have enough sustain to hold out till then in most cases.

[Jagick]

OP reeks of entitlement. I don't even play tanks but quite frankly they are under no obligation to do as you suggest or request. I realize that newer dungeons are designed for W2W pull, but if they're more comfortable going one mob at a time, that's their choice. You're more than welcome to queue tank yourself or take the penalty and leave the duty early. I'd personally prefer the tanks take as much as they can so I don't waste my bigger AOEs, but I also want them to play the way that makes them happy. They don't owe me (or you) anything.

[ballprince]

In most cases I have found if you have single pull tank, if you pull for them and make sure to bring them back most will do their aoe combo and call it a day.

This is part of the issue for me.

If you want to hold aggro and be a tank, please queue as a tank. Pulling for the tank if they don't want to pull all of that is pretty rude.