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    Player
    MeeDeggiThePunisher's Avatar
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    Sevro Barca
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Who in the world made the tank the "de facto leader"? Where is it stated? No, "just trust me, bro" isn't going to cut it. A tank doesn't lead shit, period. A party is made of 4/ 8 people and nobody just gets to decide what everyone else has to do and that goes both ways - for the tank, the healer and the dps, for the slow pulls faction and for the wall to wall faction.
    What does leading even mean in that case? That you get to decide everything? That others have to silently follow your whims?
    I guess you don't what de facto means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Besides, who said anything about mid-pull? Just type at the start of the dungeon or even make a macro. If you don't have it in you to communicate, don't just silently expect others to agree with whatever you do.
    A simple "can I pull big/ slow?" is typed faster than you can load into the dungeon.
    If this was true we wouldn't be 20 pages deep in the millionth tank pulls thread.
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    Myrany's Avatar
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    Myrany Wilzuun
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    Zalera
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    Miner Lv 87
    The one flaw to so many saying just talk it out in the dungeon at least for me is I am incapable of typing in chat while running after the tank or DPSing. If I get a breakneck tank I have no choice but to frantically try to keep up. There is no opportunity to ask the tank to slow down a tad please.
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    Payadopa's Avatar
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Spriggan
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    Tank threat #20567
    This'll be the one, guys!
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    AngelCheese77's Avatar
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    Bjartur Arnason
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 97
    This topic got me laughing.

    First you have players hollering in another post that “must w2w in 50+ dungeons” because it’s the “norm”. And then this.

    1. It could be a bot. Did Sirensong Sea and had what we believed to be a tank bot. Never grabbed aggro with AoEs. Didn’t use defensive skills. Stood in stuff …
    2. Many players don’t talk anymore since there are so many petty people out there who will report for nothing. And SE CSR are horrendous
    3. A player coming from another game used to pulling one mob at a time

    But you also have choices

    1. Kick the tank if all others in the party are in agreement
    2. Leave and take the 30 minute penalty
    3. Stay and grumble
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    AngelCheese77's Avatar
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    Bjartur Arnason
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    White Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnycake View Post
    Mentor here, been playing for years and I still get lost in The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak D; if I'm the healer I just pray the tanks knows the way lololol
    Lucky for you the revamp made the dungeon straight forward!
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    Bunnycake's Avatar
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    Yuki Yagami
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCheese77 View Post
    Lucky for you the revamp made the dungeon straight forward!
    Oh, that's awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Hrothgar so done with being second class that they summon their own primal to give them hair.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Matsya is an elephant. I cant blame them for not casting the voice to a talking elephant.

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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    as a healer, I appreciate the tank asking what they can pull, always very polite in my opinion.

    If they are asking, to me, it means they should know what they are doing in terms of mitigation and what they can handle. I am not playing in a burning house, so if they want to single pull, thats their call, means I can do more than healing usually.

    I remember a dps leaving only once. was early in the expansion and three of us were new to the dungeon, we stated as much, that we had never done it before. so we werent wall to walling it and the dps got upset and left before the first boss. even with their replacement, we finished the dungeon long before their penalty timer would have run out.

    not saying one group at a time or wall to wall is bad, but people need to realize not everyone is them, sometimes people want to learn what is there, or not comfy tanking. life goes on, its a game.. relax.... and it still wont take an hour to finish....
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    Wanzzo's Avatar
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    Nadia Frostwind
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    Seraph
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    as a healer, I appreciate the tank asking what they can pull, always very polite in my opinion.

    If they are asking, to me, it means they should know what they are doing in terms of mitigation and what they can handle. I am not playing in a burning house, so if they want to single pull, thats their call, means I can do more than healing usually.
    Yeah, I love to be a healer (as well as MCH) and I like a lot when the tanker asks. Depending on our gear, our knowledge of the duty we are running, the jobs of our DPSs I'll try to answer honestly in order to make the best sinergy (no joke intended) possible with his skills. And I really don't care about time I would spent inside duty.
    If I'm logged in a rush, I wont even bother me to register for it. Or, I'll just go for a quick trial. If you do roulettes without much time, then you wont enjoy the duty. Will be like an automated crap.

    Don't play to get bored

    This is just a game. Play it to have fun and enter randomized content knowing the people are varied and from all types of playing style, knowledge, etc. ADAPT to them and do your part.
    To be KIND take less effort than to be mad at someone. Trust me

    And always remember: ADAPTATION and KINDNESS are the keywords when running content with random people.
    Think about it.

    (But again, all those are hints. Follow them only if you want - read my signature ).
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    "Every soul you touch will remember your kindness" - TIA, G'raha

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    Hysterior's Avatar
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Katoar's Avatar
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    I sure hope Criterion Dungeons Savage are not doable with single-pulling tanks. It would be great to give the playerbase an incentive to engage a few brain cells every now and then when tanking. It will also push away the people who are not up on the great challenge of pulling wall to wall from tank jobs.
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