Melee classes are sad in CC

[MonteCristo]

Dude, I could grind RPR to 90 through dungeons in a few days and what would it prove? We have no way of proving how many games of CC a given character has played on any given class because SE doesn't like stats (apparently), so it's all just hearsay and assumptions. I have PLD at 90 - surely that means I must play a lot of games as PLD! Except I have played exactly two games of CC on PLD, and neither of them were on ranked. So how would I "prove" I know or don't know PLD, other than the actual arguments and information I present?

And like I said - I already know the class, I know how it plays, I know its strengths and weaknesses, and I know how to play it. PvP in this game is not complicated. Classes literally have 6 or sometimes 7 buttons unique to them, plus a few more shared buttons. There aren't many moving parts. It's not terribly difficult to understand how to play with, as, and against a class if you understand the game as a whole. A Terran player doesn't need to play Protoss in order to understand the qualities unique to that race and how they fit into PvT, and Starcraft is a *far* more complicated game than Crystalline Conflict is. Or you don't need to play Guile in order to understand how Guile works and how to fight him effectively as Zangief, or whatever. Pick a game, dude.

Are you seriously telling me that if I came in here with 150 more games played, a level 90 Reaper, and my stance had not changed, you'd actually be willing to admit you were wrong, that you aren't an expert and that you have a lot to learn? You and I both know that's a load of nonsense - so why are you so adamant about pretending otherwise?

You and the other clowns are just here to whine and cry and complain so that you can do anything possible to avoid having to admit that you suck at the game and that your failures are your own, not the game's. If you and the others spent half as much time analyzing your play and trying to actually understand the game as you spend crying here and having pity parties, you'd be a lot better at the game.

G Serpent.....If you actually played the job extensively the climate of this ENTIRE conversation would be different...we would actually consider what you have to say BUT there is something you lack...credibility. This isnt a complicated conversation or complicated mode by any means we aren't dumb. I don't know what u main but imagine it underperforming severely then someone who hasn't played it once trying to tell u that YOU suck and the job plays just fine...im sorry but u are treading the line of troll at this point and strangely enough i think u might actually be serious and if u are there are bigger issues at hand...respectfully

[Gserpent]

G Serpent.....If you actually played the job extensively the climate of this ENTIRE conversation would be different...we would actually consider what you have to say BUT there is something you lack...credibility. This isnt a complicated conversation or complicated mode by any means we aren't dumb. I don't know what u main but imagine it underperforming severely then someone who hasn't played it once trying to tell u that YOU suck and the job plays just fine...im sorry but u are treading the line of troll at this point and strangely enough i think u might actually be serious and if u are there are bigger issues at hand...respectfully

Except I'm not wrong, dude. That's the entire problem here. I am telling you how RPR works at high skill, how it is a very strong and very effective class at high skill that's been seeing a sharp increase in pick rates on Crystal because of this (second only to MNK, and even then not by much - I literally see MNK and RPR more than NIN now), and you're refusing to accept it because it doesn't jive with your personal experience and because you think I need to have played some arbitrary number of games as RPR to understand how RPR works and plays.

I think part of the issue is that RPR is a playmaker. If you have a team that doesn't focus targets, doesn't switch targets, and is basically off licking windows instead of paying attention... yeah, RPR's gonna feel bad. But those are PEBKAC issues, not issues with the class itself. Some classes are simply better than others at compensating for or carrying bad teammates - and RPR ain't one of them. But that doesn't mean the class is weak, or that it needs much of anything in the way of fixes or buffs, because that would more than likely make them overpowered in high skill games where your teammates *are* executing on the openings you're creating, are focusing properly, etc.

I don't know what rating you've been playing at. But by time you're reaching upper 50 levels of rating, you should start seeing skilled players more often and you'll notice a marked increase in RPR's effectiveness. It's the same with DNC, SCH, and pretty much any other class that operates on setting things up for their teammates to take advantage of.

[Ransu]

Except I'm not wrong, dude. That's the entire problem here. I am telling you how RPR works at high skill, how it is a very strong and very effective class at high skill that's been seeing a sharp increase in pick rates on Crystal because of this (second only to MNK, and even then not by much - I literally see MNK and RPR more than NIN now), and you're refusing to accept it because it doesn't jive with your personal experience and because you think I need to have played some arbitrary number of games as RPR to understand how RPR works and plays.

I think part of the issue is that RPR is a playmaker. If you have a team that doesn't focus targets, doesn't switch targets, and is basically off licking windows instead of paying attention... yeah, RPR's gonna feel bad. But those are PEBKAC issues, not issues with the class itself. Some classes are simply better than others at compensating for or carrying bad teammates - and RPR ain't one of them. But that doesn't mean the class is weak, or that it needs much of anything in the way of fixes or buffs, because that would more than likely make them overpowered in high skill games where your teammates *are* executing on the openings you're creating, are focusing properly, etc.

I don't know what rating you've been playing at. But by time you're reaching upper 50 levels of rating, you should start seeing skilled players more often and you'll notice a marked increase in RPR's effectiveness. It's the same with DNC, SCH, and pretty much any other class that operates on setting things up for their teammates to take advantage of.

Man the level of play on crystal must be really trash lol.

[Gserpent]

Man the level of play on crystal must be really trash lol.

Who knows? I think we can probably assume JP DCs are better than everyone else given that their bottom 100 rating tends to be a *lot* higher than everyone else's (wasn't Mana's like 5500 or something?), but I doubt there's a lot of difference between the different NA and EU DCs. If alts weren't so annoying to create and manage, I'd probably be interested in making a Primal and Aether alt just to see. But it's just way too much time investment for me to be interested in.

[Bloodthrone]

We are going to tell you this again Gserpent PLAY THE DAMN CLASS OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! As I told you before "KNOWLEDGE is NOTHING without EXPERIENCE" everything looks good on paper or on a video until it's put into practice, once you've put it into practice then you will understand. So, you can claim you are right until the sky falls but you will still be insanely unreliable and lack all credibility on the matter.