Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[Elesh]

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player to go through the worst written and most bigoted quest in ffxiv(Specifically Heavensward Hildibrand, not Hildibrand as a whole)
2) It's bad form to make new players go through four expansions of an optional sidequest to access progression content.

My personal issue aside from the above is that I'm pretty confident this means we're getting gaudy, hideous weapons because gaudy and exaggerated is what Manderville stands for. But meh, that's not a big deal - I can just glam over it. Also... I think it's a real shame to not leverage ANY of the fascinating expert craftspeople we have in Endwalker that are story relevant who have unique and amazing visual styles for this.

[Deveryn]

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player

I need to cut you off right there because there's something people seem to forget about relics. They're not actually end-game. They're always a step behind savage weaponry.

Also, no one's being forced. It's just a flashy weapon... generally the flashiest... It only offers an advantage in running older content or leveling up in dungeons for the next level cap. They don't have to be done at all.

[Kazhar]

I need to cut you off right there because there's something people seem to forget about relics. They're not actually end-game. They're always a step behind savage weaponry. Not since Heavensward has Savage content even been a requirement to progress.

X.55 relics are always BiS for the whole expac. And relic weapons are actually used as TEA BiS for certain jobs (if not all).
So the idea that relic weapons are entirely disconnected from high-end content is simply wrong.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player to go through the worst written and most bigoted quest in ffxiv(Specifically Heavensward Hildibrand, not Hildibrand as a whole)

"Bigoted" how?

[Mesarthim]

"Bigoted" how?

I don't think they understand what that word means, or the fact people throw it around all the time as if it means anything anymore.

The fact they used it at all is pretty telling.

[Elesh]

I need to cut you off right there because there's something people seem to forget about relics. They're not actually end-game. They're always a step behind savage weaponry.

Also, no one's being forced. It's just a flashy weapon... generally the flashiest... It only offers an advantage in running older content or leveling up in dungeons for the next level cap. They don't have to be done at all.

535 relics were definitely BIS for TEA. Which does qualify as end-game.

"Bigoted" how?

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

[Deveryn]

X.55 relics are always BiS for the whole expac. And relic weapons are actually used as TEA BiS for certain jobs (if not all).
So the idea that relic weapons are entirely disconnected from high-end content is simply wrong.

I did acknowledge older content.

Did people actually wait from TEA (5.11) to 5.55 to get their BiS weapon to clear?

[Kazhar]

I did acknowledge older content.

Did people actually wait from TEA to 5.55 to get their BiS weapon to clear?

Ultimates are always current content.

Also yes. If I didn't clear by then I definitely intend on using whatever stat boost, no matter how small, which can help me to clear both EW Ultimates and that includes relic weapons.

Not only that but DSR was originally planned for 5.5 so many people did farm the Resistance weapons in anticipation for that.
And people will farm the Manderville weapons because it will eventually become BiS for DSR, but also the 6.3 ultimate and probably any previous ultimate.

[Deveryn]

Ultimates are always current content.

Also yes. If I didn't clear by then I definitely intend on using whatever stat boost, no matter how small, which can help me to clear both EW Ultimates and that includes relic weapons.

Not only that but DSR was originally planned for 5.5 so many people did farm the Resistance weapons in anticipation for that.
And people will farm the Manderville weapons because it will eventually become BiS for DSR, but also the 6.3 ultimate and probably any previous ultimate.

If that's the case, then you're not the endgame player I'm thinking of when I see endgame mentioned. You're more of a casual.

Either way, I'm not wrong because my point was you don't actually "need" these weapons.


If you have time to argue semantics, you have time for Hildi.

[Kazhar]

If that's the case, then you're not the endgame player I'm thinking of when I see endgame mentioned. You're more of a casual.

Either way, I'm not wrong because my point was you don't actually "need" these weapons.

I think both your definitions of "casual" and "not needed" are huge stretches.

If you have time to argue semantics, you have time for Hildi.

This is rich coming from someone who is so desperate to be right that you stretch the definition of casual to "anyone not clearing DSR immediatly after its release". When all I said was the apparently groundbreaking fact that relics are not just cosmetic for dedicated endgame players.