Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[RyuDragnier]

This. People forget Godbert has shown up in more serious situations. I'm fuzzy on the details myself (it's been a while), but I think Gold Saucer employees are mostly Ala Mhigan refugees.

You are correct, the Gold Saucer hired quite a few refugees, and pays them a good wage. Godbert's a very smart businessman and expert crafter, so it's very possible this relic questline could in fact be him crafting masterpieces with Gerolt to help with a charity...while also catching the eye of multiple weapon collectors who wouldn't be afraid to spend a pretty penny to get a hold of these weapons. Killing multiple birds with one stone.

[Dawn465]

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

What content is being lost exactly? There is no tried n true rules that every expac needs an expedition zone, same as there's no rule saying every expac needs to have a deep dungeon. You can't exactly claim "there's no reason it can't be done" as you don't work there nor do you know about any of the inner workings. Ain't up to any of us to make that call.
Not important to the MSQ...you could completely bypass Eureka and Bozja and be perfectly fine in SB and ShB msqs so that logic makes zero sense. And if your logic is you don't care about characters outside of the msq then...why do you like Eureka and Bozja? Do you run alliance raids? Normal Raids? All of that isn't centric to the msq.

Half the player base doesn't like that quest line? Well guess what? The expedition lovers (myself included) have gotten zones for 2 expacs now. If we're going to be fair it seems to me like stepping away from that in EW is apt. Try something different from these last few years for those who may not like those zones. To many folks here are only thinking about "me me me me me". That's not how this works. And again I say this as someone who enjoys these zones.
Lastly what's meaningless varies by the person. Devs put alot of work into savage yet they know most of the plaerbase won't touch it same with ultimate. I'd say just skipping cutscenes does hold up here. Not every player is gonna be immersed in every piece of content dude. This take or you're is extremely self centered

[Saraide]

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

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Why should the ivalice raids be done anyway or alliance raids in general?

[Alleo]

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.


All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do.

If you say that having to do Ivalice was not as bad because you should have already done it: The exact same can be said for Hildibrand. If you had already done them when they came out you would not have to do anything new to unlock this questline when it drops.

But just as people have not done Hildibrand, others have not done Ivalice.

Ivalice is also more than just a few raids (and I am not really sure how much you can unsynch them) because it also has quite long cutscenes. Someone on reddit did the Hildibrand quests on an Alt character to see how long they take and she needed around 2 hours. So 2-3 hours max if you skip the cutscenes. I really doubt that Ivalice is much shorter. Heck I believe that with the raids themselves you can take much longer too, especially if you have to wait as a DD.

About the expedition zone: Only half of the existing relic questslines have them. Just because we had two expansion in a row with new zones for it, does not mean that its something that we can realistically demand for each one afterswards. It really depends on what the devs have planned. This expansion we will get our own big private island. That alone is a zone itself. On top of that we get new dungeons with different paths. There might have simply not be enough time left to also make new zones for the relic quests too.

And there is also a chance that they simply looked at the numbers of people doing the old relics in those zones and decided that the money and time is better invested in something else. After all its only content for a rather small amount of players. (And people really did not like Eureka, at least here on the forum...but if I remember it right the Lucky Bancho also did not show great numbers too)

[Kaurhz]

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

Ivalice doesn't 'need' to be done, it's entirely optional side content like Hildibrand is, you either do it or you don't, there is no consequence. I didn't even touch Ivalice until after it was announced as being a requirement for the relic.

"Half of the player-base doesn't even like said side content" is a very bold claim that you are making and one I would go out on a limb to say you don't have a shred of substantial evidence to support this.

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

To paraphrase what everyone says in the housing complaint threads: you're not entitled to a relic. However, you can take solace in that at least doing the Hildebrand quests is possible.

[Seger]

"Long"?

Oh I miss the old MMO community where people actually enjoyed playing the game instead of having everything handled in a golden plate.

[RobynDaBank]

"Long"?

Oh I miss the old MMO community where people actually enjoyed playing the game instead of having everything handled in a golden plate.

Man, I may be one of those gosh darned zoomers but I'm willing to sit through wipes in Alliance Raids multiple times over doing a quest chain I'm really not interested in. It's why eventually people were weaned off of Job quests because they were forced onto people so much. Questing outside of MSQ is unengaging for me, but at least Eureka/Bozja had combat content in between.