Volcanic Heart is a bad map

[Gserpent]

If you are in melee and someone ducks around a corner, you can move a similar distance they did to follow them and re-establish LoS. If you are at range, you have to cross the entire ranged distance in order to re-establish line of sight. Which is why the long lanes on VH don't matter: they're perforated on every side, which means you absolutely must close anyway because nobody is staying within those long lines.

This is much less of a problem if you're a non-Bard ranged class, but Bard specifically relies heavily on their filler and their filler takes a stiff damage penalty for being up close. It's also less of a problem if you're a burst class that can dump and not care that someone dodged around a corner - but Bard specifically favors sustained damage, not burst.

Part of why I picked up a melee class in pvp is specifically so I could feel reasonable queuing for pvp when VH is up. Map feels great on melee!

Stop being so melodramatic. Your shot going from 6k to 4k isn't really that big of a deal. BRD's primary damage comes from aligning their burst windows, not from pumping Powerful Shot into an enemy. Besides, if a melee chases you around a corner you can bind them in place with Repelling Shot, isolating them from their team while also putting yourself out of reach. You can then walk around a corner to prevent them from dashing to you, or you can silence them if your team is going to punish them.

Honestly, dude, I think you just don't know how to play BRD very well. Not as well as you believe you do, anyway. Melee are going to try to sit on ranged as much as possible. If you don't know how to handle that, then you have a lot of practice you need to be doing. Swapping to melee for VH is just sabotaging yourself. Instead of learning necessary and important skills, you're refusing to put yourself in a situation where you're required to learn. And as a result you're probably sabotaging your chances of winning on the other maps, because you never learned how to kite melee in the first place.

[Apeman]

Stop being so melodramatic. Your shot going from 6k to 4k isn't really that big of a deal. BRD's primary damage comes from aligning their burst windows, not from pumping Powerful Shot into an enemy. Besides, if a melee chases you around a corner you can bind them in place with Repelling Shot, isolating them from their team while also putting yourself out of reach. You can then walk around a corner to prevent them from dashing to you, or you can silence them if your team is going to punish them.

Honestly, dude, I think you just don't know how to play BRD very well. Not as well as you believe you do, anyway. Melee are going to try to sit on ranged as much as possible. If you don't know how to handle that, then you have a lot of practice you need to be doing. Swapping to melee for VH is just sabotaging yourself. Instead of learning necessary and important skills, you're refusing to put yourself in a situation where you're required to learn. And as a result you're probably sabotaging your chances of winning on the other maps, because you never learned how to kite melee in the first place.

How is nerfing a brds main dps action by 2k potency not that big of a deal? Thats literally a third of its damage. I don't know how you can constantly address pvp from the highest tier calibur of play and then argue that losing large chunks of potency isn't that important.

[Gserpent]

I have never stated any of the above except for Volcanic Heart sucks for ranged which you then admitted to please read my posts.

Dude, can you please stop being so unnecessarily reductive? You're acting really stupid right now, but you and I both know you're not stupid. Just because a portion of a map might favor one style or role over another, doesn't mean the entire map does. I believe I wrote an entire post explaining this to you. Could you please go back and re-read that post instead of wasting everyone's time with comments like these?

How is nerfing a brds main dps action by 2k potency not that big of a deal? Thats literally a third of its damage. I don't know how you can constantly address pvp from the highest tier calibur of play and then argue that losing large chunks of potency isn't that important.

Filler DPS is just that - filler. BRD's primary damage comes from aligning their burst with a triple Empyrean, typically inside a silence so they can't heal immediately. And you'll have used Repelling Shot to gain necessary distance and lock down your target if you aren't already at range before you begin.

Like with so many other complaints and whines we see on these boards, this is just a PEBKAC issue. You're on Crystal - go talk to Drunkin Bonuts if you want to know how to be a good Bard. They aren't the only good Bard I've seen, but I've played dozens and dozens of games with and against them and I've never, ever seen them struggle to deal with melee... nor do they dodge VH or swap classes on VH.

[Apeman]

Dude, can you please stop being so unnecessarily reductive? You're acting really stupid right now, but you and I both know you're not stupid. Just because a portion of a map might favor one style or role over another, doesn't mean the entire map does. I believe I wrote an entire post explaining this to you. Could you please go back and re-read that post instead of wasting everyone's time with comments like these?



Filler DPS is just that - filler. BRD's primary damage comes from aligning their burst with a triple Empyrean, typically inside a silence so they can't heal immediately. And you'll have used Repelling Shot to gain necessary distance and lock down your target if you aren't already at range before you begin.

Like with so many other complaints and whines we see on these boards, this is just a PEBKAC issue. You're on Crystal - go talk to Drunkin Bonuts if you want to know how to be a good Bard. They aren't the only good Bard I've seen, but I've played dozens and dozens of games with and against them and I've never, ever seen them struggle to deal with melee... nor do they dodge VH or swap classes on VH.

I said the map sucks for ranged and you admit their are parts of the map that are "unfavorable" to range. Is there some section of this map that instead favors the ranged? No. Plus the initial battle will mostly take place in the the center area which is most unfavorable to range. So if a map has areas that are not favorable for range and no areas where they have the advantage then the map as a whole is unfavorable to range. I don't know how i can spell this out any clearer.

[Gserpent]

I said the map sucks for ranged and you admit their are parts of the map that are "unfavorable" to range. Is there some section of this map that instead favors the ranged? No. Plus the initial battle will mostly take place in the the center area which is most unfavorable to range. So if a map has areas that are not favorable for range and no areas where they have the advantage then the map as a whole is unfavorable to range. I don't know how i can spell this out any clearer.

Your interpretation of this is wrong - likely due to your inexperience, which has lead you to draw false conclusions. And your ego apparently can't tolerate it when you're being corrected, so here we are. The initial battle doesn't really matter that much. The most important fights are going to take place around the checkpoints and along the goal line, both areas where ranged operate just fine. Ranged also work fine in mid, but you can't expect to just sit back and attack at max range with no issues like on Palaistra or Cloud Nine - you have to learn to deal with people trying to LOS you, and learn how to use corners to your advantage.

By your own admission, you don't play very much CC/ranked. So why are you trying to act like an authority here?

[Corbeau]

Your interpretation of this is wrong - likely due to your inexperience, which has lead you to draw false conclusions. And your ego apparently can't tolerate it when you're being corrected, so here we are. The initial battle doesn't really matter that much. The most important fights are going to take place around the checkpoints and along the goal line, both areas where ranged operate just fine. Ranged also work fine in mid, but you can't expect to just sit back and attack at max range with no issues like on Palaistra or Cloud Nine - you have to learn to deal with people trying to LOS you, and learn how to use corners to your advantage.

By your own admission, you don't play very much CC/ranked. So why are you trying to act like an authority here?

And you haven't even touched Bard in CC, much less done the climb with it.

[Gserpent]

And you haven't even touched Bard in CC, much less done the climb with it.

Yup, but I've played and talked with a lot of bards, some of whom are quite good at the game. I understand the class. You *must* understand all of the classes if you want to win a lot of games - how else are you going to know how to play against a class? You need to know how the class's burst cycle works, things that they are good at doing, things they are poor at doing, and how to mitigate their strengths while capitalizing on their weaknesses.

But what Apeman's problem is, isn't even specific to Bard. He literally does not know how to handle corner-huggers as a ranged player - that's something that marks him as a relative newbie to the role, because people *are* going to try to LOS you when you are a ranged or caster, and you need to know how to deal with that. He would not have any less of an issue dealing with this as MCH or DNC, or as any caster or healer, because the problem he's having is one of a fundamental lack of gameplay basics. It's something that you learn with experience and practice, but by his own admission he hasn't played that many CC games (or at least not ranked.) So how do you learn to improve without playing? You can dodge Volcanic Heart all you'd like, but that's just admitting defeat and denying yourself the opportunity to learn and improve. I play healers, who all have cast times on their filler DPS and can't move while casting... yet I don't have issues dealing with people corner-hugging against me.

This attitude of, "you haven't played it so you don't know it," is nonsense. If that's all you have, if that's the only rebuttal you can come up with, you have nothing. Prove my arguments wrong. Record your games, show us you fighting against melees in VH and show us how you make no mistakes and play flawlessly and still lose because "it's not fair/the map favors melee."

But you and I both know you're not going to rise to that challenge. Because you know we'll be able to identify multiple flaws in your play, which are the *actual* reason you struggle.

[Apeman]

Your interpretation of this is wrong - likely due to your inexperience, which has lead you to draw false conclusions. And your ego apparently can't tolerate it when you're being corrected, so here we are. The initial battle doesn't really matter that much. The most important fights are going to take place around the checkpoints and along the goal line, both areas where ranged operate just fine. Ranged also work fine in mid, but you can't expect to just sit back and attack at max range with no issues like on Palaistra or Cloud Nine - you have to learn to deal with people trying to LOS you, and learn how to use corners to your advantage.

By your own admission, you don't play very much CC/ranked. So why are you trying to act like an authority here?

Thank you once again for proving my point by agreeing with what i said. Claiming my ego is the issue here reaches levels of irony once thought unimaginable to common men. Also the condescending personal attacks are commonly used by people in a debate when they realize they have lost the arguement on its factual basis and are then forced to rely on insults and insults to lower the opponents credibility. Is that what's happening here, i honestly cant's say for sure but is good food for thought i guess.