Volcanic Heart is a bad map

[Gserpent]

Every post you have ever posted on the pvp threads is "git gud". You give these terrible examples of how pvp methods and strategies are supposed to be used then fail to realize they have no actual use in the game where there is almost no ability to communicate to you teammates of these strategies. Your "just make sure to have guard and purify up" is useless when you need to use these abilities throughout the match or you will die. Stop living in this fantasy ideal of how you think matches will go and try living in the actual gameplay. This map sucks for ranged classes.

Okay, so you're in the top 30, right? Oh, wait. You're not even on the list at all, despite how easy it is to get there with a bit of effort.

Who are you, exactly, to tell *anyone* that they do or don't know how to play the game? I hate being this guy, but you're really forcing the issue here. Your position is entirely reliant on you being more knowledgeable and experienced than the people you are speaking to - so when you are not, it falls apart, because you aren't actually making an argument. You're relying on them just accepting your claims to authority, rather than your argument.

You're talking out of your ass, in other words. Cut it out.

[Apeman]

Okay, so you're in the top 30, right? Oh, wait. You're not even on the list at all, despite how easy it is to get there with a bit of effort.

Who are you, exactly, to tell *anyone* that they do or don't know how to play the game? I hate being this guy, but you're really forcing the issue here. Your position is entirely reliant on you being more knowledgeable and experienced than the people you are speaking to - so when you are not, it falls apart, because you aren't actually making an argument. You're relying on them just accepting your claims to authority, rather than your argument.

You're talking out of your ass, in other words. Cut it out.

I'm someone calling you out on all the nonsense you post here. Derp git gud is your response to everything no matter the criticism. Am i in the top 30? No. I haven't put the time into it to get there. Does that exclude me from having an opinion on the mode, no. I've done enough Crystal Conflict to know that the map sucks for range and that your opinions have been mostly implausable when it comes to actual gameplay. And if having more experience is all that's required to be the authority please stay out of the Frontlines threads as i have more experience then you so by your standards your opinion is irrelevant.

[Gserpent]

I've done enough Crystal Conflict to know that the map sucks for range and that your opinions have been mostly implausable when it comes to actual gameplay.

Except you're wrong. VH doesn't suck for range. C9 doesn't suck for melee. Both maps are completely fine for all classes and roles and players. There are specific areas in each map in which some roles are unfavored, but the maps as a whole do not favor one over the other. You can *dislike* the maps, and that's fair because it's just a matter of opinion (I find Palaistra boring because it lacks anything interesting going on), but it's flatly incorrect to say that VH favors melee or that C9 favors ranged.

If you had the skill and knowledge to support your position, you wouldn't make that position because it's one you would know to be false. That's my point. That's the corner you're trying to force this into. It's okay to be wrong, but you need to be willing to admit that you are wrong sometimes.

[Apeman]

Except you're wrong. VH doesn't suck for range. C9 doesn't suck for melee. Both maps are completely fine for all classes and roles and players. There are specific areas in each map in which some roles are unfavored, but the maps as a whole do not favor one over the other. You can *dislike* the maps, and that's fair because it's just a matter of opinion (I find Palaistra boring because it lacks anything interesting going on), but it's flatly incorrect to say that VH favors melee or that C9 favors ranged.

If you had the skill and knowledge to support your position, you wouldn't make that position because it's one you would know to be false. That's my point. That's the corner you're trying to force this into. It's okay to be wrong, but you need to be willing to admit that you are wrong sometimes.

You literally just said i'm wrong and then agreed with me in a later sentence. I don't know how i can disagree with you when you are somehow holding both positions.

[Gserpent]

You literally just said i'm wrong and then agreed with me in a later sentence. I don't know how i can disagree with you when you are somehow holding both positions.

You need to read more carefully, I think. "Ranged are bad at VH" is a fact - or, well, it's incorrect but it's being presented as a fact. "I don't like VH" is an opinion. You cannot disprove an opinion, seeing as how they are all inherently subjective. But you can disprove something like "ranged are disadvantaged on VH."

Or do you think having a weakness at one specific area of a map means you're weak at the entire map? If so, then that's really just a matter of you not understanding the game well enough, and not being good enough at it, to know what a foolish assertion that is to make.

[Apeman]

You need to read more carefully, I think. "Ranged are bad at VH" is a fact - or, well, it's incorrect but it's being presented as a fact. "I don't like VH" is an opinion. You cannot disprove an opinion, seeing as how they are all inherently subjective. But you can disprove something like "ranged are disadvantaged on VH."

Or do you think having a weakness at one specific area of a map means you're weak at the entire map? If so, then that's really just a matter of you not understanding the game well enough, and not being good enough at it, to know what a foolish assertion that is to make.

Let's look at what you said. "Both maps are completely fine for all classes and roles and players. There are specific areas in each map in which some roles are unfavored, but the maps as a whole do not favor one over the other." How can you say a map is fine for all roles and then follow it with saying parts of the map are unfavorable for certain roles. Those two things are completely contradictory.

[Gserpent]

Let's look at what you said. "Both maps are completely fine for all classes and roles and players. There are specific areas in each map in which some roles are unfavored, but the maps as a whole do not favor one over the other." How can you say a map is fine for all roles and then follow it with saying parts of the map are unfavorable for certain roles. Those two things are completely contradictory.

No, they're not. You might think they are, but that's just your inexperience showing itself here.

A map can be balanced overall while still having small sections that might favor one playstyle or role over another. You do realize that the entire map is used, not just the small area in center-mid with four pillars, right? Same with C9 - maybe mid is a chokepoint leading into open areas, but you have to push through another chokepoint and into an area with walls around in order to continue pushing into the checkpoint and goal.

This is what I've been talking about - you're wrong, and refusing to even entertain the notion that you're wrong. It's a bad mindset to have. It prevents you from learning and growing. You need to be able to accept when you're wrong.