Turn Housing Demolition on

[Divinemights]

What is the criteria for a war being important enough to stop the housing demolition?

Neverminded, not worth it

[Corrupted]

I know this is probably the last response you're looking for, but honestly I'm glad it's still on
Can finally take a break & not have to worry about my house & FC poofing

[Solowing]

Why not just make auto demo less than one month of inactivity? It might force players to stay subscribed to keep their house.

Because it already does, you have to subscribe at least every 44 days, AND you have to visit the house as well. I do think apts are a valid alternative (however i agree workshop access should be a thing) But should apts scale to house size? FK NO! Because now you have a problematic system, of ward housing being inferior to apts, but requiring active visitation/subscription to keep, where scaled apts dont require any interaction with to keep for a slightly smaller space even after years of a subscription lapse.

And i doubt they are simply going to wipe out all the housing wards and instance everything.

Apts are actually decent alternatives, but because its not house sized players refuse to accept it.

[Toutatis]

Apts are actually decent alternatives, but because its not house sized players refuse to accept it.

Apartments are very limited in terms of decoration. Once You’ve covered the ugly default walls and added some windows, you are left with only a small amount of slots and an even smaller room to decorate. They are not a proper and sufficient alternative to housing.

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors. I am pretty sure that no one would give
their house away to get one if they had to chose (because you can have a house AND an apartment so your argument about apartments owners being privileged if they are made bigger doesn’t hold).

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my rooms were being demolished after 45 days of me not entering them and/or being unsubbed and away from the game. However, they could make that period 2-3 months . If someone doesn’t care about the game for so long, there is no reason to maintain privileges which end up locking content away from active and new players. Look at the server population in NA: the inactive (6+ months) population is about 8-10 times more than the active population depending on the server. A lot more housing would be required if they had never turned demolition on. Atm there is a demand for about 1500 more houses on my server based on the bids placed in the past two rounds and if Empyreum would have been released at the same time as patch 6.0, the housing shortage would be even worse as the active player population was higher and more would have placed bids.

Apartments are also full on at least one server. Housing is advertised as a feature for all and it should ‘t come down to a 1 in 100+ chance to access that content. It’s probably going to be closer to 1 in 1000 in the next round, assuming there is even one small house to bid on. SE should fix their ridiculous and inadequate housing system because even auto demolition is not a fix. It would just make very few houses available per month.

[grijas]

yes please, housing demo + more individual wards

[Jojoya]

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors.

What utility are apartments completely lacking that houses have and players want?

Adding tenants and intercross gardening are the only two I can think of, and the demand for those two things really isn't that high.

On the other hand, you never have to worry about an apartment being demolished. Can't say that about a house.

Players are usually going to want bigger when bigger is an option but if more players would focus on what can be done with apartments instead of crapping on them for being small and not having features almost no one uses. many would find that apartments are a decent alternative. That would make more houses available for those who have specific need for the features a house offers but an apartment doesn't.

Even better if SE would actually promote apartments within the game instead of almost completely ignoring their existence. If the "Where the Heart is" quests were revamped to focus on apartment ownership instead of house ownership, more players might be happy with apartments because that's what they would be expecting to get for housing at first.

Apartments are also full on at least one server.

They aren't full on any world right now. Balmung still has available apartments in Empyrean if players would bother checking the subdivision buildings.

SE also isn't going to add more housing to all worlds just because Balmung runs out. We've been through that twice already.

[Solowing]

[QUOTE=Toutatis;5998033]Apartments are very limited in terms of decoration. Once You’ve covered the ugly default walls and added some windows, you are left with only a small amount of slots and an even smaller room to decorate. They are not a proper and sufficient alternative to housing.

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors. I am pretty sure that no one would give
their house away to get one if they had to chose (because you can have a house AND an apartment so your argument about apartments owners being privileged if they are made bigger doesn’t hold).

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my rooms were being demolished after 45 days of me not entering them and/or being unsubbed and away from the game. However, they could make that period 2-3 months . If someone doesn’t care about the game for so long, there is no reason to maintain privileges which end up locking content away from active and new players. Look at the server population in NA: the inactive (6+ months) population is about 8-10 times more than the active population depending on the server. A lot more housing would be required if they had never turned demolition on. Atm there is a demand for about 1500 more houses on my server based on the bids placed in the past two rounds and if Empyreum would have been released at the same time as patch 6.0, the housing shortage would be even worse as the active player population was higher and more would have placed bids.

Apartments are also full on at least one server. Housing is advertised as a feature for all and it should ‘t come down to a 1 in 100+ chance to access that content. It’s probably going to be closer to 1 in 1000 in the next round, assuming there is even one small house to bid on. SE should fix their ridiculous and inadequate housing system because even auto demolition is not a fix. It would just make very few houses available per month

[Solowing]

Apartments are very limited in terms of decoration. Once You’ve covered the ugly default walls and added some windows, you are left with only a small amount of slots and an even smaller room to decorate. They are not a proper and sufficient alternative to housing.

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors. I am pretty sure that no one would give
their house away to get one if they had to chose (because you can have a house AND an apartment so your argument about apartments owners being privileged if they are made bigger doesn’t hold).

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my rooms were being demolished after 45 days of me not entering them and/or being unsubbed and away from the game. However, they could make that period 2-3 months . If someone doesn’t care about the game for so long, there is no reason to maintain privileges which end up locking content away from active and new players. Look at the server population in NA: the inactive (6+ months) population is about 8-10 times more than the active population depending on the server. A lot more housing would be required if they had never turned demolition on. Atm there is a demand for about 1500 more houses on my server based on the bids placed in the past two rounds and if Empyreum would have been released at the same time as patch 6.0, the housing shortage would be even worse as the active player population was higher and more would have placed bids.

Apartments are also full on at least one server. Housing is advertised as a feature for all and it should ‘t come down to a 1 in 100+ chance to access that content. It’s probably going to be closer to 1 in 1000 in the next round, assuming there is even one small house to bid on. SE should fix their ridiculous and inadequate housing system because even auto demolition is not a fix. It would just make very few houses available per month.

So are you telling my fc room thats in the screenshot is bare? Is this bare too? I can agree with 25/50 more slots for an apt. But i think it is enough to be a valid alternative to a house.

[Vahlnir]

Players are usually going to want bigger when bigger is an option but if more players would focus on what can be done with apartments instead of crapping on them for being small and not having features almost no one uses. many would find that apartments are a decent alternative.

A decent alternative compared to absolutely nothing? Sure. But comparing apartments to actual housing plots is like comparing apples to, I don't know, spaceships. They are not the same at all, and apartments/FC rooms are far more limited in every single way. And no, more and bigger apartments wouldn't lessen the housing demand, largely because of what I just said. And people can have an apartment, FC house and personal house on a single character. Your arguments in favor of apartments fall flat on every front.

So are you telling my fc room thats in the screenshot is bare? Is this bare too? I can agree with 25/50 more slots for an apt. But i think it is enough to be a valid alternative to a house.

Likewise for you as well. Just because you can get creative in a small space, doesn't make them a valid or even good alternative for the full housing experience.

[Solowing]

A decent alternative compared to absolutely nothing? Sure. But comparing apartments to actual housing plots is like comparing apples to, I don't know, spaceships. They are not the same at all, and apartments/FC rooms are far more limited in every single way. And no, more and bigger apartments wouldn't lessen the housing demand, largely because of what I just said. And people can have an apartment, FC house and personal house on a single character. Your arguments in favor of apartments fall flat on every front.



Likewise for you as well. Just because you can get creative in a small space, doesn't make them a valid or even good alternative for the full housing experience.

My experience in my Apt sized room is no different then what i would/could do in my house, its simply a smaller version. If i can make a decent room in an apt, why cant you?

I can run a venue out of my apt, i can still make it into a lounge, and i can create a personal character space? Yes its limited in slot, but does that limit what you can make? No