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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Players are usually going to want bigger when bigger is an option but if more players would focus on what can be done with apartments instead of crapping on them for being small and not having features almost no one uses. many would find that apartments are a decent alternative.
    A decent alternative compared to absolutely nothing? Sure. But comparing apartments to actual housing plots is like comparing apples to, I don't know, spaceships. They are not the same at all, and apartments/FC rooms are far more limited in every single way. And no, more and bigger apartments wouldn't lessen the housing demand, largely because of what I just said. And people can have an apartment, FC house and personal house on a single character. Your arguments in favor of apartments fall flat on every front.

    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    So are you telling my fc room thats in the screenshot is bare? Is this bare too? I can agree with 25/50 more slots for an apt. But i think it is enough to be a valid alternative to a house.
    Likewise for you as well. Just because you can get creative in a small space, doesn't make them a valid or even good alternative for the full housing experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    A decent alternative compared to absolutely nothing? Sure. But comparing apartments to actual housing plots is like comparing apples to, I don't know, spaceships. They are not the same at all, and apartments/FC rooms are far more limited in every single way. And no, more and bigger apartments wouldn't lessen the housing demand, largely because of what I just said. And people can have an apartment, FC house and personal house on a single character. Your arguments in favor of apartments fall flat on every front.



    Likewise for you as well. Just because you can get creative in a small space, doesn't make them a valid or even good alternative for the full housing experience.
    My experience in my Apt sized room is no different then what i would/could do in my house, its simply a smaller version. If i can make a decent room in an apt, why cant you?

    I can run a venue out of my apt, i can still make it into a lounge, and i can create a personal character space? Yes its limited in slot, but does that limit what you can make? No
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    My experience in my Apt sized room is no different then what i would/could do in my house, its simply a smaller version. If i can make a decent room in an apt, why cant you?
    But it's not the full housing experience. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, but I'll repeat it as much as I need to. Or until I give up out of frustration. As an aside, I've got a decent FC room that I'm content with and my apartment is a glorified walk-in closet where I stuff all of my excess furnishings. Creativity helps, but it doesn't make apartments or FC rooms a good alternative to the full housing experience that plot owners have access to. They will always be inferior. Better than nothing, but barely functional when compared to the alternatives which are so much better.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 09:19 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    But it's not the full housing experience. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, but I'll repeat it as much as I need to. Or until I give up out of frustration. As an aside, I've got a decent FC room that I'm content with and my apartment is a glorified walk-in closet where I stuff all of my excess furnishings. Creativity helps, but it doesn't make apartments or FC rooms a good alternative to the full housing experience that plot owners have access to. They will always be inferior. Better than nothing, but barely functional when compared to the alternatives which are so much better.
    Because you cant cleanly define what a "full housing experience" consist of. If you feel your room is a glorified walk-in closet, try doing something with it so it doesn't feel like it. Are they smaller? Yes. Inferior? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    Because you cant cleanly define what a "full housing experience" consist of. If you feel your room is a glorified walk-in closet, try doing something with it so it doesn't feel like it. Are they smaller? Yes. Inferior? No.

    Exterior, interior. More than one room, meaning more space overall. Higher storage and placement limits. Gardening. FC workshops. I'd like to say chocobo stables too, but apartments have those available. I really shouldn't have to clarify these things as I'm sure you know full well what I mean, but here you go. A combination of a few of those things (or all of them for FCs) is the full housing experience, which apartments are not. They are inferior by design. Period. If people enjoy their apartments, that's fine. But they are not full and true housing. I also don't want my apartment to be anything more than what it is, so there's that too. So no, I'm doing absolutely nothing with it.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 09:47 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Exterior, interior. More than one room, meaning more space overall. Higher storage and placement limits. Gardening. FC workshops. I'd like to say chocobo stables too, but apartments have those available. I really shouldn't have to clarify these things, but here you go. I also don't want my apartment to be anything more than what it is, so there's that too.
    You can garden in your apt, just not cross breed. FC workshops are fc house exclusive, my private house cant access FC workshops. But i have a 2 floor 3 room apt....Is that not big enough? Go ahead double the size of the apt. I can downgrade, and finally let my 6 month subs lapse without worrying about my homes getting demolished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    You can garden in your apt, just not cross breed. FC workshops are fc house exclusive, my private house cant access FC workshops. But i have a 2 floor 3 room apt....Is that not big enough?
    You are being purposely obtuse. You know what I'm talking about, so let's end this charade. You know full well what I mean by more space. And basically everything else I've said. You just don't want to hear it.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 09:53 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.