6.2 Hrothgar Update

[XiRon]

There is also the upgrades to the game engine, development of "the missing gender" and development of future patch content, including dev time on the next expansion...
But Apparently thats not an excuse, and to suggest it means you are excusing and defending the company

Well see the player character getting shafted every single patch for 3 years so people can get the new scrimmbly skrongo minion or use a 2frame emote with the polka dot parasol or have yshtola be a cringe uguu kawaii moedesune~~~~ magical meguca in one cutscene it kinda sticks in the back of your throat like bile. There is no excuse to continually ignore a player race unless you're just going to delete the race (and thereby lose subscribers) because it doesn't have miqote with white hair wearing 2B Panties player numbers. There just isn't besides being too lazy to care.
"We might lose battle content" what content? The hot new lv90 dungeon you'll get a third of the time in expert roulette? or the totally necessary, can't just be a cutscene solo msq instance that takes 2ish minutes and rewards you with nothing? That content?
Viera now have 4x the number of options as hrothgar and thats just lame and unfair. They need to actually do right by hrothgar players for once.
But hell...if they don't wanna fix ears, that's fine. Just let hrothgar use every single headpiece in the game if ears are expendable. Thats a fine compromise, I'd KILL to wear my neoishgardian or mogstation hats.

[XiRon]

He also said that H/V would get racial specific hairtsyles and updates to them as the patches went on which....that OBVIOUSLY didn't happen. Promises were made in the beginning that were recanted afterwards without at least coming forward and telling the players of said races that they would no longer be receiving these updates. I know this problem was fixed, but no where did yoshi say that Hrothgar would have to pay to change their hair because their hair was tied to their face. Please be quiet. :^)
Yoshi was the one who wanted a beast type race. The only other race that the *PLAYERS* wanted was Viera which Yoshi originally did NOT want to add.

The difference between V/H were that a *BEAST TYPE PLAYABLE RACE* was what Yoshi himself wanted. Viera was not something he wanted, but was coaxed into it

I am so sick of the "bUt ThEy sAiD ThEyD hAvE lImItAtIoNs AnD yOu ChOsE tO pLaY iT!!!1!" Excuse that its honestly became a freaking meme

Just the fact that it was literally never stated ANYWHERE that not only would the aesthetician not work but you would be forced to spend extra money to alter your hair at all should be enough to get people to not religiously simp for Yoshi "Never blatantly lies to players" P but here we are. A whole player has to pay to use an ingame feature, and only players of that race ever gave a damn.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Well see the player character getting shafted every single patch for 3 years so people can get the new scrimmbly skrongo minion or use a 2frame emote with the polka dot parasol or have yshtola be a cringe uguu kawaii moedesune~~~~ magical meguca in one cutscene it kinda sticks in the back of your throat like bile. There is no excuse to continually ignore a player race unless you're just going to delete the race (and thereby lose subscribers) because it doesn't have miqote with white hair wearing 2B Panties player numbers. There just isn't besides being too lazy to care.
"We might lose battle content" what content? The hot new lv90 dungeon you'll get a third of the time in expert roulette? or the totally necessary, can't just be a cutscene solo msq instance that takes 2ish minutes and rewards you with nothing? That content?
Viera now have 4x the number of options as hrothgar and thats just lame and unfair. They need to actually do right by hrothgar players for once.
But hell...if they don't wanna fix ears, that's fine. Just let hrothgar use every single headpiece in the game if ears are expendable. Thats a fine compromise, I'd KILL to wear my neoishgardian or mogstation hats.

The Hrothgar are not being ignored and they are not going to be removed or deleted...thats just silly.
Dev time on them is just hilariously slow. Sadly, I dont think 90%-95% of the headgear will be functional on the Hrothgar, its a sad reality. It would be nice if they could get more headgear working already, and make Store Glamour Headgear wearable. And I hope they do plan future gear to include the Hrothgar.
Something else they could/Should do is make some Lv1 Glamour gear for the Hrothgar.

Some unique Unique racial gear to make up for the lack of Headgear would be neat.
Pipedream Im sure.

[Akimori]

Just let hrothgar use every single headpiece in the game if ears are expendable. Thats a fine compromise, I'd KILL to wear my neoishgardian or mogstation hats.

I would actually legit not mind that because there are some hats I really wanna wear (Calfskin rider's cap and that new Korean [casual?] hat).

I will forever stand by this notion: I dont care what limitations V/H have, Mogstation items should *ALWAYS* work on them. Either have a set for them to buy at a lower price that doesn't include the non-working pieces [Not sure how the system would pull this off....) or make them work. I find it completely unacceptable that at least those hats and hairs dont work on V/H

[XiRon]

I would actually legit not mind that because there are some hats I really wanna wear (Calfskin rider's cap and that new Korean [casual?] hat).

I will forever stand by this notion: I dont care what limitations V/H have, Mogstation items should *ALWAYS* work on them. Either have a set for them to buy at a lower price that doesn't include the non-working pieces [Not sure how the system would pull this off....) or make them work. I find it completely unacceptable that at least those hats and hairs dont work on V/H

Like just a couple weeks back they had ms maintenance and all that was added? More disclaimers that gear won't work on mviera.
I'm sorry but thats crap. You don't offer H/V players alternate sets without hats so...say a new ms glam has 4 pieces, and 1 is a hat. That means a hrothgar or viera who buys said set is getting charged 25% more. "What if they fantasia?" What if the devs didn't add new glams that cost additional money that screwed over h/v players? How bout that hypothetical. Its completely undefendable. If something costs players additional money to have, like glams, like the matoya hat that comes with merch, like the gaelicat cap you only get if you win a twitter contest, then it should damn oughta work regardless. I do not care if a viera player wants to buy a newly degendered set or a hrothgar wants to buy a set made in arr, if you can only obtain shit by opening your wallet, shouldn't you be able to use it? This is also why genderlocked sets are crap, you know damn well more people will spend money if they can use things, they are actively LOSING money by not improving on these situations.
I was so so disappointed when the new korean glam didn't work on h/v. It was made specifically for the launch of Endwalker, a new expansion with new player racial options, and the new races including mviera cannot enjoy the full set what kind of crap is that?

[Euphares]

The Hrothgar are not being ignored and they are not going to be removed or deleted...thats just silly.
Dev time on them is just hilariously slow. Sadly, I dont think 90%-95% of the headgear will be functional on the Hrothgar, its a sad reality. It would be nice if they could get more headgear working already, and make Store Glamour Headgear wearable. And I hope they do plan future gear to include the Hrothgar.
Something else they could/Should do is make some Lv1 Glamour gear for the Hrothgar.

Some unique Unique racial gear to make up for the lack of Headgear would be neat.
Pipedream Im sure.

So can you explain why out of all the hairstyles they could've added to Hrothgar after 2/3 years they added 2 joke ones and 2 completely uncharacteristic ones?


Can you also then explain further why despite having NPC's that use different face/hair combos existing in the game(gangos), players still don't have access these options?


I'm curious how you people will rationalize that. Because if Hrothgar got access to all of their racial hair + 4 new Hrothgar-centric hairstyles. Virtually no one would be complaining at the moment.


Its literally just neglect and delusion on the part of the devs. There really isn't any other excuse, the devs are allowed to be out of touch and wrong.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

--So can you explain why out of all the hairstyles they could've added to Hrothgar after 2/3 years they added 2 joke ones and 2 completely uncharacteristic ones?
--Can you also then explain further why despite having NPC's that use different face/hair combos existing in the game(gangos), players still don't have access these options?
--I'm curious how you people will rationalize that. Because if Hrothgar got access to all of their racial hair + 4 new Hrothgar-centric hairstyles. Virtually no one would be complaining at the moment.
--Its literally just neglect and delusion on the part of the devs. There really isn't any other excuse, the devs are allowed to be out of touch and wrong.

--No I cannot...Im not a Dev on this game. I question why they couldnt make this Unique Hrothgar hair that I heard about and instead decided to use old hair; joke or not.
--No I cannot...Im not a Dev on this game. Honestly I never took notice to these Unique face combos since they wernt on Important NPCs. This is something they are supposibly working on, but I believed it was suppose to be a thing in 6.1...now...who knows.
--What am I rationalizing again? I reread my quoted post and not sure what you are referring to...because Im not apologizing for the company or saying everything is A-OK (Which I get accused of alot despite never saying it)
--I refuse to follow that idea personally. Neglect and Delusion to me would mean they think Hrothgar are fine with Zero Plans of Fixes, additions or even developing the Females. We can argue circles about the lack of options and how bad the hair is.....which will ultimately amount to us all Agreeing on some level that its not ok and needs fixes.

[Midareyukki]

Ok? Amazing. Great. I'm so stoked the NEW CONTENT they add every patch includes like superduper necessary things like...aquarium fish and a parasol emote. While theres a race in their game that still has to change its entire face if it wants to use its racial hair.

This is such a lameass excuse honest to god like WE SEE them add new stuff every patch that just plain doesnt work, at all, if you dare to play a race from shb. There is 0 reason to not make every single new hat or hair work for hrothgar and viera but we have "oh its hard oooh they have to add a 2 minute solo instance to msq ooh its so difficult please understand" while two PLAYER RACES get the shitcovered end of the stick. Every single time. For YEARS.

This.

Please stop excusing the development team at every turn about "how hard" content is and about "how much" we get.

These patches are planned out FAR in advance, by people led by a man who would allegedly time their bathroom breaks back in the development of ARR. Rarely ever have they needed to change their course, and often it was for a good reason.

Meaning everything you guys are pointing out has already been planned for quite a while now. If Hrothgar updates have not been part of that list, it's because the team didn't think they would be relevant. And that has already proven to be a problem, with several players feeling disgruntled at a 3-year wait leading up to meme-worthy and sad updates.

If this were your race, you wouldn't like it either.

Here you go if you want more information on the matter.

So if they can give us detailed stuff and entire systems with "strict budgeting", then fixing stuff such as hairstyles should have been calculated as a part of their to-do list with that budget.
If they did care, they would have had included it in their to-do list, seen the budget, and allocated resources\organized priorities accordingly.
And that alone would mean we wouldn't have had minor systems and content being pushed out before Hrothgars had a proper update.
Because, as it stands, it's obvious it wasn't taken into consideration, and that a rushed job was the preferable way to go about it.

This isn't even getting into the "Modders do better" argument. That's another can of worms. This is just sheer "what can the devs do". And what they can do is plan things ahead, which they do. And allocate things based on what players actually have been asking for three years, which they did not.

[Vahlnir]

--What am I rationalizing again? I reread my quoted post and not sure what you are referring to...because Im not apologizing for the company or saying everything is A-OK (Which I get accused of alot despite never saying it)

In a roundabout way, you kinda do on this subject. You sometimes start off appearing to defend them, only to do a complete 180 by the end. Intentional or not, it is how I perceive some of your posts in regard to this, so I can see how others might get that impression too. I've got nothing against you though either way. Just calling it as I see it.

[Midareyukki]

--What am I rationalizing again? I reread my quoted post and not sure what you are referring to...because Im not apologizing for the company or saying everything is A-OK (Which I get accused of alot despite never saying it)

That's the thing. On quite a lot of posts, you do look like you come out in support for Hrothgars, but then end up saying stuff that don't match reality, often even excusing the development team's methods and derailing their already-sketchy plans for what you personally think is right. Rather than be objective about what should and shouldn't be implemented. You're not the only one, though. It's a thing I see many people do, and it's often because they just overall don't understand what sort of game they're playing. In a "unaware of how the game has been designed and what sort of paradigm we're working with" way. As well as just not knowing how software design works in general. I'm no expert, but a lot of my friends work in the area, not just in programming and software design, but in game development as well, and they've helped me understand the situation in broad terms.

On this topic alone, it just feels like you missed the point, that's really all I can gather from it.

Don't get me wrong. Overall, it's clear what you want. You said so yourself once too. Female Hrothgar to come with Hrothgar Fixes. Among other things, no doubt. But what you want isn't going to match what will happen. Not because what you want is ridiculous; we wish it were like that as well, but that's a perfect-world scenario. We know how the development team is. And we've seen the past three years and how they've dealt with the situation. And what many people understood, both from their work and their responses, is that they view all this as a minor thing that they can just wing and be done with.

Frankly? I do apologize for having called you deluded. It is clear you are passionate about something. It's just misplaced, imo. Misplaced and possibly a bit rash.

For now, Square screwed up with what we got. If we want something done right in the future, then they can't half-ass it the way they've been so far.