What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[CrownySuccubus]

Seriously, every time I see a negative criticism to any aspect of the game I can already see at least one person holding a cup of tea, trying to contain their hands as they start shaking, then telling themselves to take a deep breath, and give a nervous smile to their fellow yesmen/women who look absolutely horrified that someone who had bad things to say about the game exist, and thus the person smiling says: "Don't worry! Don't worry guys!! It's just a minority!! Everybody knows the SILENT MAJORITY loves everything about this game, right????"

Sincere question: are you responding to what I said, or is this rhetorical? Because I'm absolutely not a person who is terrified by, or who denies, that there are bad things to say about the game. At this point, I've probably written enough words harshly criticizing Endwalker to qualify as a Graduate Thesis Paper. So I have no choice but to assume you're talking about someone else.

But if you ARE talking about me, my point is that though I think the people in this thread are (mostly) right, it's still a minority of people compared to those who like the game and sing its praises. On any existent, observable metric, we can see that the number of people heaping endless praise on Endwalker vastly outnumber those who criticize it any substantial way. Like you said, you could then try to argue "Okay, but there's actually a lot of people who really hate it like us, but get silenced by the masses" -- in which case, sure. Let's assume that's true. But that's why I said "existent, observable metric". If those people are hidden, then by definition, we can't observe them. Similarly, if there are "masses" which can silence them, then that is likewise an acknowledgement that the people being silenced constitute a "minority", whether you define that as a statistic or lack of privilege.

There is, after all, a reason why people keep saying this is their "last bastion of hope" of critical discourse against the rest of the internet.

[Xirean]

Sincere question: are you responding to what I said, or is this rhetorical? Because I'm absolutely not a person who is terrified by, or who denies, that there are bad things to say about the game. At this point, I've probably written enough words harshly criticizing Endwalker to qualify as a Graduate Thesis Paper. So I have no choice but to assume you're talking about someone else.

But if you ARE talking about me, my point is that though I think the people in this thread are (mostly) right, it's still a minority of people compared to those who like the game and sing its praises. On any existent, observable metric, we can see that the number of people heaping endless praise on Endwalker vastly outnumber those who criticize it any substantial way. Like you said, you could then try to argue "Okay, but there's actually a lot of people who really hate it like us, but get silenced by the masses" -- in which case, sure. Let's assume that's true. But that's why I said "existent, observable metric". If those people are hidden, then by definition, we can't observe them. Similarly, if there are "masses" which can silence them, then that is likewise an acknowledgement that the people being silenced constitute a "minority", whether you define that as a statistic or lack of privilege.

There is, after all, a reason why people keep saying this is their "last bastion of hope" of critical discourse against the rest of the internet.

So quick question. Does being a minority mean that said group should not be heard? Hrothgar are a minority in the game as well so do they not deserve hats or hair or a functioning spine?

I don't see the relevance in labeling a group as a minority or majority other than to silence one group or another.

[CrownySuccubus]

So quick question. Does being a minority mean that said group should not be heard?

I don't understand how this is even a question when I stated that 1) I think the people in this thread are usually right and 2) I've definitely argued my points about the story in threads outside of this one. (Granted, you wouldn't know that without searching my post history, but still.)

I don't see the relevance in labeling a group as a minority or majority other than to silence one group or another.

This makes no sense. Saying that an animal is endangered doesn't imply you want them to disappear or be further reduced. Saying that a movie is a "cult classic" doesn't mean that you think its fans suck or that more mainstream movies are inferior. These terms are relative comparisons -- nothing more.

Frankly, I don't understand the pushback.

[Xirean]

Frankly, I don't understand the pushback.

That would be because it's not pushback. It's a clarifier question.

[CrownySuccubus]

That would be because it's not pushback. It's a clarifier question.

Alright then...if you say so.