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    Ren Thras
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Did you guys see people already got a 100% parse party with 5 dps and 1 healer in DSU? Every player in the party got a 100% parse including the healer….
    That's pretty insane and indicative of an exceptional team pushing the limits of what's possible.

    They also said they were at it for 10 days (?!) and had to get the RNG of the mechanics to line up JUST right for it to even be possible. Everyone, of course, ignores all that and now believes DSU can be solo healed by anyone and everyone. Because...of course they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Ah but wherein lies the problem...
    I mean, I absolutely COULD HAVE used those buttons. I've been trying to push myself to NOT use them. A Medica 2 instead of a Solace might not have gone amiss in part of the run, but I used what I had and tried to have faith in my co-healer to take care of the rest. It more or less worked.

    There's no multi-hit stack mechanic for Plenery/Cure 3, and I used Lilybell for Fourfold (and had the Red 3, so couldn't be centered for AOE healing anyway). I thought I did fat finger Plenery somewhere. Heh. And 2 Benisons? Did I really? That kinda makes me happy since I tend to still have the old school mentality of "clutch heals are for emergencies only" that I've been trying to break myself out of.

    Also, I don't tend to analyze runs much, so not sure if you're making a dig at me with "that GCD uptime..." or not. Please DO elaborate?

    Most people had enough gear and knew the fight well enough. I still frequently used my GCD Lily heals and my oGCD abilities because I'm genuinely trying to get better and use more of my kit. This is, however, the first time in my FFXIV experience I've had someone...attack?...me for doing so. So I guess there's a first time for everything.

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    "simply unacceptable"?

    I was able to clear the content.

    "It's poorly designed"?

    Even your list shows I used quite a few of my various healing abilities. The Job is designed to reward good play while having strong backup spamable GCD heals (Medica, Cure 3) in case of emergencies. This fight didn't have too many emergencies.

    Besides, you're not arguing WHM is poorly designed here. You're arguing P1S is poorly designed. At least get that right, eh?

    EDIT:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    You are argueing a purely theoretical difficulty...
    No, I'm looking at kits, interactions, and how they work in a mechanical sense.

    I've already submitted for the sake of argument that CONTENT is too easy. I've said for months now we have too many oGCDs, they're too powerful, and fights are too scripted. I got downvoted to the 13th on Reddit for daring to suggest we need more complex healing requirements/more intense damage in high level end-game content. How DARE I suggest such a thing.

    ...and have been berated for it here, too.

    To be attacked for saying healing is too easy by people saying healing is too easy is the height of absurdity. Noting the fact that the healing kits are complex is also not a lie. As I said in the very post I believe you are responding to:

    My argument is that they're comparably complex, NOT that you need nor use that complexity. That's a different argument entirely.
    WHM and WAR are comparably complex.

    You don't need to USE WHM's complexity in currently designed content.

    That doesn't mean the Job (since all healers are this way) is badly designed. It means the content is not being well designed.

    And let's face it, if P1S was cleared with ALL TANKS - that means 8 TANKS without a single DPS Job were able to clear the DPS CHECK enrage... - it means that the proper take here is that P1S (and the other end-game content) may be undertuned. If you can clear DPS check enrages without a single DPS in the party, that says something, doesn't it? CERTAINLY if being able to clear without a healer says something, being able to clear without a damage dealer must say something too, right?
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    Last edited by Renathras; 06-17-2022 at 04:04 PM. Reason: Marked with Edit for space