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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Yes, however we have other evidence to support his amaurot dungeon spheal. Between the cave paintings, prior knowledge and the knowledge we come across throughout Amaurot. Whereas with Venat’s walk a lot of what happens in it is contradicted by what we know as fact happened.
    And we have evidence corrobating Venats take. The statements of the souls in the moon, Elidibus reinforcing how even after setting right the world the people “cried out in rage and despair,” “resuming our role as stewards do the star,” the Hydaelyn entry in the Unending Codex, the refusal of the Convocation to hear out the Hydaelyn factions concerns (5.2), and so on. The issues people bring up with the cutscene, meanwhile, are almost all associated with the timing and order of events, not the events themselves. It was shoved together condensed yes, but that doesn’t invalidate the fact that it tracks to what happened. I highly doubt the 1st, 2nd and 3rd beast all appeared at the exact same time and place, given what we saw in Thavnair and Garlemald. Does that mean I should ignore the Amaurot dungeon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alenore View Post
    Other races not unlike Sundered people, say the Global Citizen race, did reach their Dead End despite not being all powerful godlike beings. Besides, we don't know how long it'd have taken for them to reach that stage of their evolution: it could be millions of years.
    Life isn't extinct either on the Plenty world; there's Ra-La, the butterflies it summons, the rest of the monsters we meet, and the flora. So no, all would not be dead. The Ancients would. Even then, their soul would return to be recycled into other beings.
    If the Ancients believed life a curse that they wished to be free of, and they knew that they would be reincarnated and live lives that would ultimately come to the same conclusion, then would they not logically follow the people of the Plenty and devise a means to permanently end their lives? And we have no idea what they intended for Ra La and the butterflies once their work is done. Once the dungeon is complete the entire world seems to become a barren wasteland with no signs of life. I think that suggests what their world would look like after everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alenore View Post
    Even though Ascian involvement caused a bunch of calamities, some were prevented by Warriors of Light, but don't seem to come from Ascian schemes: Koryu and Ultima the High-Seraph from the top of my head. Koryu was a near global calamity.
    So tell me, how did making people mortal, willing to wage war when they were at peace before, and strip them of a bunch of power they could have used to survive help them not go extinct?
    If the conclusion "All life is meant to end" is to be taken seriously, why would Sundered people who almost killed themselves 7 times already wouldn't end, too?
    This is the riddle that ultimately underlies why the Sundered were able to survive. You are right, being mortal doesn’t solve the problem of destroying your species, the risk is always there. But being immortal doesn’t just make it a possibility you will be a Dead End, it necessitates it. The notes left in the aplenty, the statements of the Ea in Ultima Thule, all suggest the only way for an immortal species to overcome the consequences of their immortality is to not be immortal anymore, to choose to relinquish that and instead accept mortality and weakness. It’s why the Plenty citizens wax fondly for the time when they were struggling. They understood that risk of failure success rings hollow. So yes humanity is still at risk, but they can still avert that end.

    Quote Originally Posted by redheadturk View Post
    So what? Let them do it. Also, yes, she could have told Emet alone what had happened with a vow asked of him not to tell Hermes and pressing how important it was Hermes not find out. Have them get the information they need to deal with the issue, deal with Meteion, and then arrest his arse so he can't do any more harm and deal with his mental issues at the same time.
    Emet Selch is the last person capable of keeping that secret. The man wears his emotions on his sleeve when it comes to his people, and to sit by while the man who doomed them all is across from them would be an even greater fear of emotional strength than his 12,000 year Ardor. The moment when he yells at Meteion about what right she has to take their lives and decide their worth still makes me shake my head as the absolute worst thing to say at that moment.
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