Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yep he is. I don’t agree with him. Bottom line.



So is it false or is it from her perspective? The Amaurot dungeon was from Emets perspective, doesn’t mean it’s incorrect. Just means we have to keep that in mind right?

Yes, however we have other evidence to support his amaurot dungeon spheal. Between the cave paintings, prior knowledge and the knowledge we come across throughout Amaurot. Whereas with Venat’s walk a lot of what happens in it is contradicted by what we know as fact happened.

[Alenore]

And all would be dead if the Ancients reach their Dead End. When a species reaches the conclusion that living isn’t worth it, and they are the “stewards of the star”

Other races not unlike Sundered people, say the Global Citizen race, did reach their Dead End despite not being all powerful godlike beings. Besides, we don't know how long it'd have taken for them to reach that stage of their evolution: it could be millions of years.
Life isn't extinct either on the Plenty world; there's Ra-La, the butterflies it summons, the rest of the monsters we meet, and the flora. So no, all would not be dead. The Ancients would. Even then, their soul would return to be recycled into other beings.

Even though Ascian involvement caused a bunch of calamities, some were prevented by Warriors of Light, but don't seem to come from Ascian schemes: Koryu and Ultima the High-Seraph from the top of my head. Koryu was a near global calamity.
So tell me, how did making people mortal, willing to wage war when they were at peace before, and strip them of a bunch of power they could have used to survive help them not go extinct?
If the conclusion "All life is meant to end" is to be taken seriously, why would Sundered people who almost killed themselves 7 times already wouldn't end, too?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Other races not unlike Sundered people, say the Global Citizen race, did reach their Dead End despite not being all powerful godlike beings. Besides, we don't know how long it'd have taken for them to reach that stage of their evolution: it could be millions of years.
Life isn't extinct either on the Plenty world; there's Ra-La, the butterflies it summons, the rest of the monsters we meet, and the flora. So no, all would not be dead. The Ancients would. Even then, their soul would return to be recycled into other beings.

Even though Ascian involvement caused a bunch of calamities, some were prevented by Warriors of Light, but don't seem to come from Ascian schemes: Koryu and Ultima the High-Seraph from the top of my head. Koryu was a near global calamity.
So tell me, how did making people mortal, willing to wage war when they were at peace before, and strip them of a bunch of power they could have used to survive help them not go extinct?
If the conclusion "All life is meant to end" is to be taken seriously, why would Sundered people who almost killed themselves 7 times already wouldn't end, too?

Precisely this. The ancients were only really possibly heading towards one dead end. Whereas now, after the sundering, there is the possibility of reaching either one of the 3 dead ends. It kind of makes her plan incredibly idiotic in a way.Granted we knew she wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed what with her "backup plan" basically equating to people mass turning on a spaceship the moment they left zodiark's shield. She makes even a himbo like me look smart!

[thegreatonemal]

Precisely this. The ancients were only really possibly heading towards one dead end. Whereas now, after the sundering, there is the possibility of reaching either one of the 3 dead ends. It kind of makes her plan incredibly idiotic in a way.Granted we knew she wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed what with her "backup plan" basically equating to people mass turning on a spaceship the moment they left zodiark's shield. She makes even a himbo like me look smart!

You do realize that they wouldn't have made it to any of the bad ends of that dungeon had the sundering not happened. Because of Metion killing everyone in the universe before they could even make it to those points. Besides neither of those other two ends are on the path the sundered are on now. There seems to be no mass disease that is gonna pop up to be the cause of the first area. The war with the empire is over, which is the parallel with the second area. Why do you think the goal was to stop any possible downfall in the far flung future and not: Stop being trying to murder us all at this very moment. Could the sundered society collapse at one point sometime later? Sure, everything ends those people who are alive them will have to deal with it. That wasn't Venat's goal. Metion was trying to kill everyone and the greater part of her people were making a choice that wouldn't allow them to fight back.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You do realize that they wouldn't have made it to any of the bad ends of that dungeon had the sundering not happened. Because of Metion killing everyone in the universe before they could even make it to those points. Besides neither of those other two ends are on the path the sundered are on now. There seems to be no mass disease that is gonna pop up to be the cause of the first area. The war with the empire is over, which is the parallel with the second area. Why do you think the goal was to stop any possible downfall in the far flung future and not: Stop being trying to murder us all at this very moment. Could the sundered society collapse at one point sometime later? Sure, everything ends those people who are alive them will have to deal with it. That wasn't Venat's goal. Metion was trying to kill everyone and the greater part of her people were making a choice that wouldn't allow them to fight back.

Venat's worry was them becoming the plenty. But with you rlogic, why should she care? The society would just collapse later not right now. Your logic is incredibly flawed, and you dont really have much room to talk when you were trying to argue with the blatant definitionn of genocide. Try again oatmeal.

[Tehmon]

The discussion regarding Dead Ends seems completely pointless to me. Venat's actions were based on stopping the Final Days and trying to birth a civilization of people who'd have the best chances of overcoming said calamity and defeating Meteion for the good of all life in existence, not just the ancient civilization. When she didn't think her people were capable of that, she resorted to the sundered. There was no active goal in trying to prevent ancients from reaching a fate like the Plenty, or for the sundered to never reach a dead end either. I'm not sure what Venat's opinion on the inevitable destruction of humankind is.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The discussion regarding Dead Ends seems completely pointless to me. Venat's actions were based on stopping the Final Days and trying to birth a civilization of people who'd have the best chances of overcoming said calamity and defeating Meteion for the good of all life in existence, not just the ancient civilization. When she didn't think her people were capable of that, she resorted to the sundered. There was no active goal in trying to prevent ancients from reaching a fate like the Plenty, or for the sundered to never reach a dead end either. I'm not sure what Venat's opinion on the inevitable destruction of humankind is.

Erm….did you watch the QnA?

[AwesomeJr44]

You do realize that they wouldn't have made it to any of the bad ends of that dungeon had the sundering not happened. Because of Metion killing everyone in the universe before they could even make it to those points.

The Dead Ends were mostly natural (or caused by the inhabitants) ends to civilizations. Meteion (Not Metion, I guess you can't read names either, Oatmeal) found planets that already met that end prior to her arrival. Yes, she did end a few herself, but world ending events are not exclusive to her.

Besides neither of those other two ends are on the path the sundered are on now. There seems to be no mass disease that is gonna pop up to be the cause of the first area. The war with the empire is over, which is the parallel with the second area.

The plague was caused by overpopulation which can still happen. The war with the Garleans isn't the only war that's ever existed on our star, nor will it be the last. People thought the first World War was gonna be the last one. It wasn't. There could also be an entirely different dead end awaiting our star.

Metion was trying to kill everyone and the greater part of her people were making a choice that wouldn't allow them to fight back.

Gee... it would have been great if the Ancients knew exactly what they were supposed to fight back at. I mean, they had thought that they won with Zodiark, but it's a shame no one who knew about Meteion could have told them. Oh wait. Venat could have. But instead she killed them all for the great sin of not fighting something they didn't know existed.

[Tehmon]

Erm….did you watch the QnA?

Yes, but I don't think it really conflicts with what I say. I don't really believe that was THE reason for the sundering. There was no message to the sundered that we must never let humankind reach their end. It was the Final Days that had to be averted, as Venat believed humankind in some way was capable of that. The rest would be up to people to figure out.

[Kranel_San]

Ultima the High-Seraph

When Meteion claimed the universe to be dead, my first thought was: "So from where did Ultima the high-seraph come from?"
I wish they'd expand on this side. Wouldn't do to have an alien descending from another world only to know two expansions later that the universe is dead.