Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[KizuyaKatogami]

You do realize that they wouldn't have made it to any of the bad ends of that dungeon had the sundering not happened. Because of Metion killing everyone in the universe before they could even make it to those points. Besides neither of those other two ends are on the path the sundered are on now. There seems to be no mass disease that is gonna pop up to be the cause of the first area. The war with the empire is over, which is the parallel with the second area. Why do you think the goal was to stop any possible downfall in the far flung future and not: Stop being trying to murder us all at this very moment. Could the sundered society collapse at one point sometime later? Sure, everything ends those people who are alive them will have to deal with it. That wasn't Venat's goal. Metion was trying to kill everyone and the greater part of her people were making a choice that wouldn't allow them to fight back.

Venat's worry was them becoming the plenty. But with you rlogic, why should she care? The society would just collapse later not right now. Your logic is incredibly flawed, and you dont really have much room to talk when you were trying to argue with the blatant definitionn of genocide. Try again oatmeal.

[thegreatonemal]

Venat's worry was them becoming the plenty. But with you rlogic, why should she care? The society would just collapse later not right now. Your logic is incredibly flawed, and you dont really have much room to talk when you were trying to argue with the blatant definitionn of genocide. Try again oatmeal.

Got a link to the Q&A? Pretty sure that wasn't her worry, its not like Meteion's report is what spurred her on to not end up like the plenty. Since you've proven what is it, five times now that your reading ability is lacking I'd rather see the text for myself. To your "question" Her world was about to be attacked. Make sure she does all she can to protect and entrust the world's future to the current generation.

[Rulakir]

Got a link to the Q&A?

https://youtu.be/WRpdIL7_NII?t=16045

If the link doesn't automatically take you to the time stamp it's @ 4:27:25 - Was sundering the star the only way to save it?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Got a link to the Q&A? Pretty sure that wasn't her worry, its not like Meteion's report is what spurred her on to not end up like the plenty. Since you've proven what is it, five times now that your reading ability is lacking I'd rather see the text for myself. To your "question" Her world was about to be attacked. Make sure she does all she can to protect and entrust the world's future to the current generation.

And how many times has your reading ability been shown lacking? Hopefully you can understand the video at the very least, theres options to slow it down to 0.25x if you need the extra help which, lets be real, you do. Still havent changed Gridinia to Gridania sweetpea.

[thegreatonemal]

And how many times has your reading ability been shown lacking? Hopefully you can understand the video at the very least, theres options to slow it down to 0.25x if you need the extra help which, lets be real, you do. Still havent changed Gridinia to Gridania sweetpea.

Considering you misheard what was said. I suppose we need to get you a hearing aid, an adult to sit by you and explain maybe.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Considering you misheard what was said. I suppose we need to get you a hearing aid, an adult to sit by you and explain maybe.

So long as it's your lap im sitting in.

I fail to see how being insulting is helping any discussion. If you think they're arguing in bad faith, block or ignore them.

Why are you even addressing me when the insults started being thrown by him? Talk to him about it lmao dont play the double standard game. If you want to be productive in the discussion can we all at least have watched the QnA and understand it? Thank you.

[thegreatonemal]

So long as it's your lap im sitting in.

Only people who can read and hear correctly. Work hard and maybe one day. I've no faith in you but who knows you might rise above your suffering.

[EaraGrace]

Yes, however we have other evidence to support his amaurot dungeon spheal. Between the cave paintings, prior knowledge and the knowledge we come across throughout Amaurot. Whereas with Venat’s walk a lot of what happens in it is contradicted by what we know as fact happened.

And we have evidence corrobating Venats take. The statements of the souls in the moon, Elidibus reinforcing how even after setting right the world the people “cried out in rage and despair,” “resuming our role as stewards do the star,” the Hydaelyn entry in the Unending Codex, the refusal of the Convocation to hear out the Hydaelyn factions concerns (5.2), and so on. The issues people bring up with the cutscene, meanwhile, are almost all associated with the timing and order of events, not the events themselves. It was shoved together condensed yes, but that doesn’t invalidate the fact that it tracks to what happened. I highly doubt the 1st, 2nd and 3rd beast all appeared at the exact same time and place, given what we saw in Thavnair and Garlemald. Does that mean I should ignore the Amaurot dungeon?

Other races not unlike Sundered people, say the Global Citizen race, did reach their Dead End despite not being all powerful godlike beings. Besides, we don't know how long it'd have taken for them to reach that stage of their evolution: it could be millions of years.
Life isn't extinct either on the Plenty world; there's Ra-La, the butterflies it summons, the rest of the monsters we meet, and the flora. So no, all would not be dead. The Ancients would. Even then, their soul would return to be recycled into other beings.

If the Ancients believed life a curse that they wished to be free of, and they knew that they would be reincarnated and live lives that would ultimately come to the same conclusion, then would they not logically follow the people of the Plenty and devise a means to permanently end their lives? And we have no idea what they intended for Ra La and the butterflies once their work is done. Once the dungeon is complete the entire world seems to become a barren wasteland with no signs of life. I think that suggests what their world would look like after everything.

Even though Ascian involvement caused a bunch of calamities, some were prevented by Warriors of Light, but don't seem to come from Ascian schemes: Koryu and Ultima the High-Seraph from the top of my head. Koryu was a near global calamity.
So tell me, how did making people mortal, willing to wage war when they were at peace before, and strip them of a bunch of power they could have used to survive help them not go extinct?
If the conclusion "All life is meant to end" is to be taken seriously, why would Sundered people who almost killed themselves 7 times already wouldn't end, too?

This is the riddle that ultimately underlies why the Sundered were able to survive. You are right, being mortal doesn’t solve the problem of destroying your species, the risk is always there. But being immortal doesn’t just make it a possibility you will be a Dead End, it necessitates it. The notes left in the aplenty, the statements of the Ea in Ultima Thule, all suggest the only way for an immortal species to overcome the consequences of their immortality is to not be immortal anymore, to choose to relinquish that and instead accept mortality and weakness. It’s why the Plenty citizens wax fondly for the time when they were struggling. They understood that risk of failure success rings hollow. So yes humanity is still at risk, but they can still avert that end.

So what? Let them do it. Also, yes, she could have told Emet alone what had happened with a vow asked of him not to tell Hermes and pressing how important it was Hermes not find out. Have them get the information they need to deal with the issue, deal with Meteion, and then arrest his arse so he can't do any more harm and deal with his mental issues at the same time.

Emet Selch is the last person capable of keeping that secret. The man wears his emotions on his sleeve when it comes to his people, and to sit by while the man who doomed them all is across from them would be an even greater fear of emotional strength than his 12,000 year Ardor. The moment when he yells at Meteion about what right she has to take their lives and decide their worth still makes me shake my head as the absolute worst thing to say at that moment.

[LordGiggles]

This is the riddle that ultimately underlies why the Sundered were able to survive. You are right, being mortal doesn’t solve the problem of destroying your species, the risk is always there. But being immortal doesn’t just make it a possibility you will be a Dead End, it necessitates it. The notes left in the aplenty, the statements of the Ea in Ultima Thule, all suggest the only way for an immortal species to overcome the consequences of their immortality is to not be immortal anymore, to choose to relinquish that and instead accept mortality and weakness. It’s why the Plenty citizens wax fondly for the time when they were struggling. They understood that risk of failure success rings hollow. So yes humanity is still at risk, but they can still avert that end.

My bad for replying to stuff in two different posts, but I don't think this follows. Not being immortal doesn't somehow make you immune to inevitably coming to an end, if just means it'll happen well before the fate that terrified the Ea came about. Escaping the consequences of immortality isn't escaping the consequences of being alive at all.

Mortal civilisation will die just as certainly as (some of) the Ea or the plenty did, there's just a much wider variety of things that could do it. Even if you were super lenient and did allow a society to continue existing for as long as the Ea, how are they supposed to get around the heat death of the universe? The plenty had issues others could dodge, the Ea did not.