Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[EaraGrace]

Yes, however we have other evidence to support his amaurot dungeon spheal. Between the cave paintings, prior knowledge and the knowledge we come across throughout Amaurot. Whereas with Venat’s walk a lot of what happens in it is contradicted by what we know as fact happened.

And we have evidence corrobating Venats take. The statements of the souls in the moon, Elidibus reinforcing how even after setting right the world the people “cried out in rage and despair,” “resuming our role as stewards do the star,” the Hydaelyn entry in the Unending Codex, the refusal of the Convocation to hear out the Hydaelyn factions concerns (5.2), and so on. The issues people bring up with the cutscene, meanwhile, are almost all associated with the timing and order of events, not the events themselves. It was shoved together condensed yes, but that doesn’t invalidate the fact that it tracks to what happened. I highly doubt the 1st, 2nd and 3rd beast all appeared at the exact same time and place, given what we saw in Thavnair and Garlemald. Does that mean I should ignore the Amaurot dungeon?

Other races not unlike Sundered people, say the Global Citizen race, did reach their Dead End despite not being all powerful godlike beings. Besides, we don't know how long it'd have taken for them to reach that stage of their evolution: it could be millions of years.
Life isn't extinct either on the Plenty world; there's Ra-La, the butterflies it summons, the rest of the monsters we meet, and the flora. So no, all would not be dead. The Ancients would. Even then, their soul would return to be recycled into other beings.

If the Ancients believed life a curse that they wished to be free of, and they knew that they would be reincarnated and live lives that would ultimately come to the same conclusion, then would they not logically follow the people of the Plenty and devise a means to permanently end their lives? And we have no idea what they intended for Ra La and the butterflies once their work is done. Once the dungeon is complete the entire world seems to become a barren wasteland with no signs of life. I think that suggests what their world would look like after everything.

Even though Ascian involvement caused a bunch of calamities, some were prevented by Warriors of Light, but don't seem to come from Ascian schemes: Koryu and Ultima the High-Seraph from the top of my head. Koryu was a near global calamity.
So tell me, how did making people mortal, willing to wage war when they were at peace before, and strip them of a bunch of power they could have used to survive help them not go extinct?
If the conclusion "All life is meant to end" is to be taken seriously, why would Sundered people who almost killed themselves 7 times already wouldn't end, too?

This is the riddle that ultimately underlies why the Sundered were able to survive. You are right, being mortal doesn’t solve the problem of destroying your species, the risk is always there. But being immortal doesn’t just make it a possibility you will be a Dead End, it necessitates it. The notes left in the aplenty, the statements of the Ea in Ultima Thule, all suggest the only way for an immortal species to overcome the consequences of their immortality is to not be immortal anymore, to choose to relinquish that and instead accept mortality and weakness. It’s why the Plenty citizens wax fondly for the time when they were struggling. They understood that risk of failure success rings hollow. So yes humanity is still at risk, but they can still avert that end.

So what? Let them do it. Also, yes, she could have told Emet alone what had happened with a vow asked of him not to tell Hermes and pressing how important it was Hermes not find out. Have them get the information they need to deal with the issue, deal with Meteion, and then arrest his arse so he can't do any more harm and deal with his mental issues at the same time.

Emet Selch is the last person capable of keeping that secret. The man wears his emotions on his sleeve when it comes to his people, and to sit by while the man who doomed them all is across from them would be an even greater fear of emotional strength than his 12,000 year Ardor. The moment when he yells at Meteion about what right she has to take their lives and decide their worth still makes me shake my head as the absolute worst thing to say at that moment.

[LordGiggles]

If anything, defeating Zodiark was dangerous in itself: reducing by 14 the strength of the shield protecting your planet against a space laser may not be the best course of action. What if we had changed anything about the timeline and Zodiark was now actually less powerful, and reducing its power would be fatal? She mentions that she has no idea if we'd even go back to our own time or if we already changed things.
Giving people the potential to affect Dynamis even is a good idea, but they can literally create entelechy life forms, since Hermes did it. She didn't have to sunder Ancients to create being attuned to it, but just create familiars with the intend to use and harness it.

I agree, but to be super generous, we have no real idea how the sundering even works at all in the wider context of space. I'm not sure the devs ever got around to saying what happens if someone on a shard manages to leave the planet, zodiarks relation to its barrier might be different to how others worked when sundered. Would be strange for it to be maintaining so many extra barriers if the other shards don't actually exist as physically different locations, and if they are separate beings maintaining barriers over the same planet, fandaniels plan wouldn't have actually done anything.

Is a bit of a reach, but the story kind of struggles if venat was willing to kill everything on the planet without even considering what might happen after. Might have missed something on this topic though, I don't watch or read dev interviews consistently.

[LordGiggles]

This is the riddle that ultimately underlies why the Sundered were able to survive. You are right, being mortal doesn’t solve the problem of destroying your species, the risk is always there. But being immortal doesn’t just make it a possibility you will be a Dead End, it necessitates it. The notes left in the aplenty, the statements of the Ea in Ultima Thule, all suggest the only way for an immortal species to overcome the consequences of their immortality is to not be immortal anymore, to choose to relinquish that and instead accept mortality and weakness. It’s why the Plenty citizens wax fondly for the time when they were struggling. They understood that risk of failure success rings hollow. So yes humanity is still at risk, but they can still avert that end.

My bad for replying to stuff in two different posts, but I don't think this follows. Not being immortal doesn't somehow make you immune to inevitably coming to an end, if just means it'll happen well before the fate that terrified the Ea came about. Escaping the consequences of immortality isn't escaping the consequences of being alive at all.

Mortal civilisation will die just as certainly as (some of) the Ea or the plenty did, there's just a much wider variety of things that could do it. Even if you were super lenient and did allow a society to continue existing for as long as the Ea, how are they supposed to get around the heat death of the universe? The plenty had issues others could dodge, the Ea did not.

[Kuroka]

Also, 10k years ago it surely would have been easier to stop meteion... who knows how many died just bc of venat's plan...

[KageTokage]

I agree, but to be super generous, we have no real idea how the sundering even works at all in the wider context of space. I'm not sure the devs ever got around to saying what happens if someone on a shard manages to leave the planet, zodiarks relation to its barrier might be different to how others worked when sundered. Would be strange for it to be maintaining so many extra barriers if the other shards don't actually exist as physically different locations, and if they are separate beings maintaining barriers over the same planet, fandaniels plan wouldn't have actually done anything.

Is a bit of a reach, but the story kind of struggles if venat was willing to kill everything on the planet without even considering what might happen after. Might have missed something on this topic though, I don't watch or read dev interviews consistently.

It was mentioned in one of the interviews that the moon(s) have some still unfulfilled purpose...which gives me the vibe that maybe Venat/Hydaelyn did anticipate reality going sideways in her absence to at least some extent.

[SentioftheHoukai]

I don't even like these two new Omega quests, tbqh. Feels like false advertisement and a betrayal of my expectations and excitement for more Omega content. On the website it's described as "a chapter you once thought ended is only just beginning" but it's only two short-ass quests long full of platitudes meant to appease those who disliked EW's message ending with..... ugh, of course FORGE AHEAD.

Forget the Omicrons, don't remember them FORGE AHEAD FORGE AHEAD FORGE AHEAD

Ngl, getting real tired of that propagandic phrase.

[LordGiggles]

It was mentioned in one of the interviews that the moon(s) have some still unfulfilled purpose...which gives me the vibe that maybe Venat/Hydaelyn did anticipate reality going sideways in her absence to at least some extent.

I don't doubt the moon was intended as a potential backup for if things went wrong, I just don't think it's likely she'd shatter zodiark with zero idea if that's just going to immediately kill everyone or not. Like the moon isn't going to do anything if the barrier instantly fails and the final days just start back up.

Might just be a copium thing, but I don't think the writing for her would be that badly thought through. The biggest issue with the sundering and failings of the ancients in that case would have nothing to do with their ability to cope with loss or combat the final days, but more with the convocation apparently allowing someone with a low double digit IQ to hold a seat.

I do wish they would explain somewhat how zodiark exists though, because I really have no idea what the other shards of him are even doing. Like are there still a bunch of zodiarks just sitting around on other shards? I don't believe it's been talked about much, outside the ascians not wanting to free them early. Again, could have just missed something, though I'd hope the info is in game if so.

[Havenchild]

So what? Let them do it. Also, yes, she could have told Emet alone what had happened with a vow asked of him not to tell Hermes and pressing how important it was Hermes not find out. Have them get the information they need to deal with the issue, deal with Meteion, and then arrest his arse so he can't do any more harm and deal with his mental issues at the same time.

Imagine thinking Emet could hold a secret, when he literally threw a tantrum when you told him the "secret" of future events. Mind you, the ONLY one in the room at the time that did so. He is the number one person to overeact first and "think" later.

People keep making these lame claims that Venat could have told many people but still disregard what she herself stated about Hermes, the need of his specific knowledge on Dynamis and not alerting him in fear that he could flip either way.

I do wish they would explain somewhat how zodiark exists though, because I really have no idea what the other shards of him are even doing. Like are there still a bunch of zodiarks just sitting around on other shards? I don't believe it's been talked about much, outside the ascians not wanting to free them early. Again, could have just missed something, though I'd hope the info is in game if so.

Yoshi P/Ishikawa already confirmed that all parts of Zodiark on the shards disappeared when the main body on the source was destroyed.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Imagine thinking Emet could hold a secret, when he literally threw a tantrum when you told him the "secret" of future events. Mind you, the ONLY one in the room at the time that did so. He is the number one person to overeact first and "think" later.

People keep making these lame claims that Venat could have told many people but still disregard what she herself stated about Hermes, the need of his specific knowledge on Dynamis and not alerting him in fear that he could flip either way.



Yoshi P/Ishikawa already confirmed that all parts of Zodiark on the shards disappeared when the main body on the source was destroyed.

Do you truly think out of an entire civilization of ancient people who thrived on research only one would be capable of understanding dynamis? They had at the very least, after zodiark, 12k years. Even before that though Venat at least knows a bit about Dynamis, if she tells everyone that it’s the key, i don’t see why they couldn’t research it together. This whole thing of Hermes was the only one only works if you headcanon the ancients as stupid, which is the opposite of what we’re shown in Elpis.

[Deusteele]

The Convocation wouldn't listen to any warning about Zodiark (Anamnesis cutscene). Given how the populace was willing to gloss over the fact that the Convocation had declared an entire seat persona non grata, easy to accept that therefore Venat and her cadre would be unable to gain a foothold in public discourse. Emet-Selch, leader of the Convocation and the one looked to for guidance during the Final Days, had nothing but disdain for Venat. How exactly would she tell a population that wouldn't listen in the first place. That's exactly what we saw in Thou Must Live, Die and Know. The Ancients followed the story beats as we told and never deviated from that path, she knew how the entire thing played out and never saw anyone break free from the cycle she was told.

the Ancients could not fight Meteion. Meteion is uniquely and narratively designed to destroy them. She turns their creations and the Ancients themselves into her tools of destruction. After 12.000 years, the Ascians had accomplished nothing about stopping the Final Days, they didn't even know the true cause because of their own arrogance. Their motives and goals where entirely centered around Zodiark.