Hrothgar Feedback Thread

[Midareyukki]

I didnt say Hollow...I said Invisible. Because its made up and non-existent to say the Devs dont care about Hrothgar. You can't prove that, you made it up.

Way to ignore not only 5 posts of actual experience but also other people showing exactly what's going on. Bravo, you're displaying how much people shouldn't listen to you.

Way to ignore other people telling you flat out how they've been feeling playing not just Hrothgar, but Viera as well.

Not to mention how your argument hinges on Devil's Proof. "The devs didn't show us they hate Hrothgar, therefore this is unnecessary". But that was never the case. The case is showing how
a) Attention has been lacking, for Hrothgar and Viera both but with extra emphasis on Hrothgar. What with the low-effort stuff they've been doing which I've linked
b) The dev team has been taking decisions without taking into account what people who would play that content actually want
c) Hrothgar players need to give their feedback to the development team other than just "We're angy". Because we did that, and our community representative just regurgitated the same response. One which has already been shown to be false.

If the devs hate anything is getting death threats. Having players show their displeasure and being told what the systematic failures have been is what was done back in 1.0.

And constantly denying this when it's been the experience of everyone who's played this race just shows what sort of person you really are.

Edit: You want Female Hrothgar to be a package deal? IT WASN'T FOR VIERA. What makes you think we, who have been treated the way I've described on the first page, would be any different? Are you delusional?

[Misplaced_Marbles]

I can't speak to GW2, but as a former female Tauren (yes, I'm expecting people to have a mental breakdown at the WoW talk too lmao), part of the reason they're so off-putting is that they give off major dairy heifer / breeding sow vibes. The males look like bulls, which is great - it suits a hero, an adventurer. But the design of the females leans too heavily into farmyard tropes for female cattle, and makes them look like docile barnyard creatures. It was hard to find an adequate transmog to make my Druid look fierce - so much so that I mostly stayed in kitty form.

Good points, i'm sure, but of course the biggest reason for female beast character unpopularity is the lack of jiggling mammaries (for charr anyway, don't remember if tauren had those).

[Chie_M]

Good points, i'm sure, but of course the biggest reason for female beast character unpopularity is the lack of jiggling mammaries (for charr anyway, don't remember if tauren had those).

You're likely very correct.

[SturmChurro]

Good points, i'm sure, but of course the biggest reason for female beast character unpopularity is the lack of jiggling mammaries (for charr anyway, don't remember if tauren had those).

A lot of people are just not into the full on beast thing. When it's a male character, people can justify it by 'cool' factor.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Way to ignore not only 5 posts of actual experience but also other people showing exactly what's going on. Bravo, you're displaying how much people shouldn't listen to you.

Way to ignore other people telling you flat out how they've been feeling playing not just Hrothgar, but Viera as well.

Not to mention how your argument hinges on Devil's Proof. "The devs didn't show us they hate Hrothgar, therefore this is unnecessary". But that was never the case. The case is showing how
a) Attention has been lacking, for Hrothgar and Viera both but with extra emphasis on Hrothgar. What with the low-effort stuff they've been doing which I've linked
b) The dev team has been taking decisions without taking into account what people who would play that content actually want
c) Hrothgar players need to give their feedback to the development team other than just "We're angy". Because we did that, and our community representative just regurgitated the same response. One which has already been shown to be false.

If the devs hate anything is getting death threats. Having players show their displeasure and being told what the systematic failures have been is what was done back in 1.0.

And constantly denying this when it's been the experience of everyone who's played this race just shows what sort of person you really are.

There was a point that I said people should listen to me? Huh, I wasnt aware of that.
Nor was I aware that other people were telling me flat out how they've been feeling playing not just Hrothgar, but Viera as well.
I dont recall talking to other people, so how would they tell me anything?....
Are you just unaware that my post didnt even really address your 5 post OP on the front page? That I was just giving my thoughts, and just saying Id rather try to look at it rationally with X reasoning, instead of blabbing things like "they hate the Hrothgar" ?
Its not a difficult Read my Dude.

"The devs didn't show us they hate Hrothgar, therefore this is unnecessary"
Didnt say that, wasn't my Argument. I said they didnt Say they Hate Hrothgar, therefor this claim is a lie. And its a contradiction to their creation in the 1st place, and Hrothgar have been mentioned and talked about. Please, if your gonna challenge anything I say even if its not meant to really be an argument, can you at least quote it correctly?
All I ask. Thoughts are fine, I'll accept if you have something to say, but dont misquote me and twist my words.

A) You claim low effort, not a completely disagreeable mindset...still doesnt prove hatred of the Hrothgar.
B) OK?...they could have made better decisions...still not seeing proof of Hrothgar hatred
C) Then do so...is there a statement that Ive ever argued against giving feedback? Maybe information gathered wasn't translated correctly. I really cant and dont have an argument against this or for it. But I still dont think claiming "The Devs hate Hrothgar" is a reasonable response without actual proof.
Anybody can make a claim, but not every claim is true. All Im saying.

""And constantly denying this when it's been the experience of everyone who's played this race just shows what sort of person you really are.""
Wow...and I thought I was the one who shouldn't be listened to. If your are just gonna create lies out of thin air to win an argument, then it sounds like nobody should really take you seriously.
I haven't denied any of the points, just that they aren't proof of Hrothgar Hatred by the Devs. To sit here and say I denied all your points is a laughable lie, and I love how 90% of the 'Arguments' I get into have the person create lies out of nowhere, for no reason.


Edit: You want Female Hrothgar to be a package deal? IT WASN'T FOR VIERA. What makes you think we, who have been treated the way I've described on the first page, would be any different? Are you delusional?
LMAO yes, yknow what, I am Delusional. Because Im hopelessly optimistic that the Hrothgar will be improved. And I think getting both Genders is a good stepping stone. And I choose to believe that having more time on the females would be beneficial to the Males as well; who you described, Have been treated the way you've described on the first page.
They need fixes and improvements, WAY more then the Viera. I chose to believe they want to make these fixes but it is slow, and frankly embarrassing.
I put my blind & delusional faith in the idea things should look better soon. Just not soon enough.
Yknow what...call it what it is.....Hopeium
Im not afraid to say it.

A lot of people are just not into the full on beast thing. When it's a male character, people can justify it by 'cool' factor.

Niche Race be Niche

[Misplaced_Marbles]

A lot of people are just not into the full on beast thing. When it's a male character, people can justify it by 'cool' factor.

Yes, but if the beasties had titties, they'd be instantly more popular (more or less), which i find strange. I mean, i don't have anything against them (except specifically on a beast race) but it is kind of an obsession for some.

Also, wouldn't being ferocious beast be "cool" on a female character too? Sure it would be and having breasts or not would be irrelevant, unless you're looking to make an ERP character or something.

And, as always, SE has the solution that they made years ago and only once utilized, namely, the clan function. They could use it to make two different versions of them, one less beastly and one properly beastly. Too bad it's too late for that, since the males already have set a precedent with what they got, not to mention that they never did anything with it for the other races (other than that one time).

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Also, wouldn't being ferocious beast be "cool" on a female character too?

This is exactly why I want Female Hrothgar myself.
I want to play a "cool" Beastgirl. As much as I love my FemRoe and my Male Hrothgar beastman, I want to play a Female Beastman.
Nothing to do with anything other then I think it would be cool, and fun. No shortage of pretty human-looking characters. I want to be part of the Niche crowd of Non-humans.

[Soge01]

Having booba on a female beast character helps better identify them as being indeed female. That, and a bit of curve, slenderness and shorter stature.

The female Tauren in WoW are easily identifiable, even from a distance because of their feminine appearance.

I only wish the female Worgen actually looked a bit closer to their male counterparts. Too soft looking for my tastes. Prefer them to be more feral looking.

I expect the female Hrothgar to use the female Roegydan model with some slight alterations. Maybe they'll be a bit skinnier than the Fem Roe or their muscle might be more visible with an optional slight hunch.

Depending on what the devs do, I may make one.

[Avidria]

Having booba on a female beast character helps better identify them as being indeed female. That, and a bit of curve, slenderness and shorter stature.

The female Tauren in WoW are easily identifiable, even from a distance because of their feminine appearance.

I only wish the female Worgen actually looked a bit closer to their male counterparts. Too soft looking for my tastes. Prefer them to be more feral looking.

I expect the female Hrothgar to use the female Roegydan model with some slight alterations. Maybe they'll be a bit skinnier than the Fem Roe or their muscle might be more visible with an optional slight hunch.

Depending on what the devs do, I may make one.

Well hey, at least female worgen look less like feral Chihuahuas now! That's a plus I guess (agree though they could have been way cooler than they are)

Anyway yeah +1 for undoing the frankly bizarre choices that went into developing Hrothgar

[Karowolus]

This is exactly why I want Female Hrothgar myself.
I want to play a "cool" Beastgirl. As much as I love my FemRoe and my Male Hrothgar beastman, I want to play a Female Beastman.
Nothing to do with anything other then I think it would be cool, and fun. No shortage of pretty human-looking characters. I want to be part of the Niche crowd of Non-humans.

Ok, Firstly.

The entire point of this thread is to put more emphasis on HROTHGAR now. Not for in 2 years time when we Hopefully get female hrothgar or the graphical update. This is for attention to be brought to the issues at hand now. This is something we have waited 3 years for.

3 Years. Being basically ignored all the while. This thread is EXCLUSIVELY to talk about feedback for the now. Not for the future changes, for now. Be it saying 'These Hairstyles are Garbage', or saying what it seems like to us. If to us, it looks like the devs are being lazy or just outright uncaring about the race they put into the game, we're allowed to state what we think about it. That's what a forum is for. A forum is for discussion. But bringing in other things which OP specifically stated that he doesn't want within this thread is just derailing the subject entirely. It can already be seen. This thread which was supposed to be for 'Hrothgar Feedback' has derailed into 'Female hrothgar discussion, which it isn't for at all. If you wish to discuss female hrothgar. Then go to the female hrothgar thread. It's there for a reason.

This thread is for providing feedback for what we have now. As I stated in the previous paragraph. If your post isn't regarding the now, or is to come to the defense of the Devs. Trust me.

We don't want to hear the tripe that we've been hearing for 3 years from another person. We've had it with this mindless defense as if the devs can do nothing wrong. We've seen the devs do wrong. We've seen them screw up SIMPLE things, multiple times. Like getting the stats wrong on augmented gear. Adding in more materia melds to a gearpiece that shouldn't have it. Etc. That can be defended as something that could be a line of code being wrong.

But this? This is just full blown ignorance of quality. In what world would any of those hairstyles look remotely good on hrothgar. Why do hairstyles that for Miqo'te. Have their ears visible. But for Hrothgar, they're hidden because... I guess our ears are attached to our head like they... Y'know should be? Just let it clip. The game is already a clipfest of tails through capes, weapons through limbs and hair through models. Where's the harm in letting hrothgar ears clip through their hair?

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