Hrothgar Feedback Thread

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This is because Miqo'te ears aren't attached to their head model. Thus you can move them around to fit the hairstyles you want. Hrothgar can't do that because the ears are a part of the head itself.



Except this isn't hollow rethoric. Please read the posts.

I prefaced it by pointing out constraints, be it technological or inherent to the development itself. You listed all those "factors for the solution not being here", yet not only did I mention them, I also mentioned how neither of them excuses the way this race has been treated.

Yes, we did know the devs wanted a bestial race. Yet not only do their actions past telling us there was a desire not match said desire in the slightest, we'd also be entirely acting on hearsay.
They might not hate hrothgar, and that wasn't the implication. But Hrothgars have been treated with dismissal. Excuses such as "Oh the ears are too hard" when they are not and third party tools have gotten around it. Work which has been publicly streamed. 2B Peanut Head, when we know most other hairstyles in the game are adjusted to fit their races, or were in the past.
But at this point I'm repeating what I've already written.

"ignorant ideas like "Its a Billion Dollar Company" because that doesn't mean anything nor does it prove any point"
Except... it is, and it does. Because a dingy old company wouldn't have the resources Square Enix has to make the quality they've made in other games. This is, by current standards, a low-end PS3 game. They are a company known for being avant-garde in the 3D department. Always have been, and that's even been such a facet they wanted to show, it ended up being part of why 1.0 failed. It's not an ignorant idea. And Hrothgar aren't the only ones with such issues; look no further than Viera foreheads.

What is ignorant and factually irrational is dismissing such factors so readily.

This is rational, because it's clear the dev team has either been making decisions without being properly informed, making content in a rushed fashion, or both. Merely understanding "players aren't satisfied" isn't enough if you have no idea what your next step should be.

I didnt say Hollow...I said Invisible. Because its made up and non-existent to say the Devs dont care about Hrothgar. You can't prove that, you made it up.
If this were true, Hrothgar wouldnt exist in the 1st place, nor would we be getting the Females...they wouldnt even acknowledge it if this were true. There is more to take care of in the game, so its not a wild idea to consider these things are being worked on, just slowly. And I gave room to the idea that things can still be fixed, and maybe we can see improvements when the Females are Produced, because unlike the Male Hrothgar, dev time was split between making them alongside the Viera. And as seen with the Male Viera, having more dev time to focus on ONE race/Gender can lead to better results. So I still put stock in the idea that the males should see fixes and improvements along the females.

I argue that its not a good excuse. None of us work for the company, and even if you have the vaguest idea about how another company works, doesnt mean all companies work the same. Also have you considered how many of those resources are already being used? Upkeep on expenses, other games and other projects? To just sit here and say Oh they are a Million Dollar company so they can just fling money willy nilly...is pretty ignorant.
And we dont know if they have no idea what the next step should be...we arnt there...we arnt devs. We arnt managing possibly a million different things. A Modder having enough free time to alter code in a game thats isolated and only effects what is on their screen, is not the same as working on the actual coding of the game that would effect the whole system.

[Vahlnir]

I didnt say Hollow...I said Invisible. Because its made up and non-existent to say the Devs dont care about Hrothgar. You can't prove that, you made it up.
If this were true, Hrothgar wouldnt exist in the 1st place, nor would we be getting the Females...they wouldnt even acknowledge it if this were true. There is more to take care of in the game, so its not a wild idea to consider these things are being worked on, just slowly. And I gave room to the idea that things can still be fixed, and maybe we can see improvements when the Females are Produced, because unlike the Male Hrothgar, dev time was split between making them alongside the Viera. And as seen with the Male Viera, having more dev time to focus on ONE race/Gender can lead to better results. So I still put stock in the idea that the males should see fixes and improvements along the females.

I argue that its not a good excuse. None of us work for the company, and even if you have the vaguest idea about how another company works, doesnt mean all companies work the same. Also have you considered how many of those resources are already being used? Upkeep on expenses, other games and other projects? To just sit here and say Oh they are a Million Dollar company so they can just fling money willy nilly...is pretty ignorant.
And we dont know if they have no idea what the next step should be...we arnt there...we arnt devs. We arnt managing possibly a million different things. A Modder having enough free time to alter code in a game thats isolated and only effects what is on their screen, is not the same as working on the actual coding of the game that would effect the whole system.

Regardless of what their processes are, that does NOT make it okay for them to neglect a playable race for years. And when they finally did do something, they basically crapped on us and laughed. They seriously laughed as if it were some sort of joke, and then tried to play dumb when they saw how upset people were. Yeah, I don't buy their excuses anymore after that. They don't need anyone defending them, nor do they deserve it. I don't want the devs or the company to be sorry, nor do I want empty promises and platitudes from them. I want them to do better. And by "do better" I mean actually giving a hoot.

[SturmChurro]

Regardless of what their processes are, that does NOT make it okay for them to neglect a playable race for years. And when they finally did do something, they basically crapped on us and laughed. They seriously laughed as if it were some sort of joke, and then tried to play dumb when they saw how upset people were. Yeah, I don't buy their excuses anymore after that. They don't need anyone defending them, nor do they deserve it. I don't want the devs or the company to be sorry, nor do I want empty promises and platitudes from them. I want them to do better. And by "do better" I mean actually give a hoot.

If you are a hrothgar or viera player you pretty much have to be in a state to never expect anything EVER. So *IF* something does come out you can be pleasantly surprised. Of course, if more players adopt that mentality, we probably really wouldn't ever see anything done for these races.

[Vahlnir]

If you are a hrothgar or viera player you pretty much have to be in a state to never expect anything EVER. So *IF* something does come out you can be pleasantly surprised. Of course, if more players adopt that mentality, we probably really wouldn't ever see anything for these races.

Absolutely. But it shouldn't be this way.

[Midareyukki]

I didnt say Hollow...I said Invisible. Because its made up and non-existent to say the Devs dont care about Hrothgar. You can't prove that, you made it up.

Way to ignore not only 5 posts of actual experience but also other people showing exactly what's going on. Bravo, you're displaying how much people shouldn't listen to you.

Way to ignore other people telling you flat out how they've been feeling playing not just Hrothgar, but Viera as well.

Not to mention how your argument hinges on Devil's Proof. "The devs didn't show us they hate Hrothgar, therefore this is unnecessary". But that was never the case. The case is showing how
a) Attention has been lacking, for Hrothgar and Viera both but with extra emphasis on Hrothgar. What with the low-effort stuff they've been doing which I've linked
b) The dev team has been taking decisions without taking into account what people who would play that content actually want
c) Hrothgar players need to give their feedback to the development team other than just "We're angy". Because we did that, and our community representative just regurgitated the same response. One which has already been shown to be false.

If the devs hate anything is getting death threats. Having players show their displeasure and being told what the systematic failures have been is what was done back in 1.0.

And constantly denying this when it's been the experience of everyone who's played this race just shows what sort of person you really are.

Edit: You want Female Hrothgar to be a package deal? IT WASN'T FOR VIERA. What makes you think we, who have been treated the way I've described on the first page, would be any different? Are you delusional?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Way to ignore not only 5 posts of actual experience but also other people showing exactly what's going on. Bravo, you're displaying how much people shouldn't listen to you.

Way to ignore other people telling you flat out how they've been feeling playing not just Hrothgar, but Viera as well.

Not to mention how your argument hinges on Devil's Proof. "The devs didn't show us they hate Hrothgar, therefore this is unnecessary". But that was never the case. The case is showing how
a) Attention has been lacking, for Hrothgar and Viera both but with extra emphasis on Hrothgar. What with the low-effort stuff they've been doing which I've linked
b) The dev team has been taking decisions without taking into account what people who would play that content actually want
c) Hrothgar players need to give their feedback to the development team other than just "We're angy". Because we did that, and our community representative just regurgitated the same response. One which has already been shown to be false.

If the devs hate anything is getting death threats. Having players show their displeasure and being told what the systematic failures have been is what was done back in 1.0.

And constantly denying this when it's been the experience of everyone who's played this race just shows what sort of person you really are.

There was a point that I said people should listen to me? Huh, I wasnt aware of that.
Nor was I aware that other people were telling me flat out how they've been feeling playing not just Hrothgar, but Viera as well.
I dont recall talking to other people, so how would they tell me anything?....
Are you just unaware that my post didnt even really address your 5 post OP on the front page? That I was just giving my thoughts, and just saying Id rather try to look at it rationally with X reasoning, instead of blabbing things like "they hate the Hrothgar" ?
Its not a difficult Read my Dude.

"The devs didn't show us they hate Hrothgar, therefore this is unnecessary"
Didnt say that, wasn't my Argument. I said they didnt Say they Hate Hrothgar, therefor this claim is a lie. And its a contradiction to their creation in the 1st place, and Hrothgar have been mentioned and talked about. Please, if your gonna challenge anything I say even if its not meant to really be an argument, can you at least quote it correctly?
All I ask. Thoughts are fine, I'll accept if you have something to say, but dont misquote me and twist my words.

A) You claim low effort, not a completely disagreeable mindset...still doesnt prove hatred of the Hrothgar.
B) OK?...they could have made better decisions...still not seeing proof of Hrothgar hatred
C) Then do so...is there a statement that Ive ever argued against giving feedback? Maybe information gathered wasn't translated correctly. I really cant and dont have an argument against this or for it. But I still dont think claiming "The Devs hate Hrothgar" is a reasonable response without actual proof.
Anybody can make a claim, but not every claim is true. All Im saying.

""And constantly denying this when it's been the experience of everyone who's played this race just shows what sort of person you really are.""
Wow...and I thought I was the one who shouldn't be listened to. If your are just gonna create lies out of thin air to win an argument, then it sounds like nobody should really take you seriously.
I haven't denied any of the points, just that they aren't proof of Hrothgar Hatred by the Devs. To sit here and say I denied all your points is a laughable lie, and I love how 90% of the 'Arguments' I get into have the person create lies out of nowhere, for no reason.


Edit: You want Female Hrothgar to be a package deal? IT WASN'T FOR VIERA. What makes you think we, who have been treated the way I've described on the first page, would be any different? Are you delusional?
LMAO yes, yknow what, I am Delusional. Because Im hopelessly optimistic that the Hrothgar will be improved. And I think getting both Genders is a good stepping stone. And I choose to believe that having more time on the females would be beneficial to the Males as well; who you described, Have been treated the way you've described on the first page.
They need fixes and improvements, WAY more then the Viera. I chose to believe they want to make these fixes but it is slow, and frankly embarrassing.
I put my blind & delusional faith in the idea things should look better soon. Just not soon enough.
Yknow what...call it what it is.....Hopeium
Im not afraid to say it.

A lot of people are just not into the full on beast thing. When it's a male character, people can justify it by 'cool' factor.

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