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  1. #681
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    HyonaCookie's Avatar
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    Hyohyona Hyona
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    Scholar Lv 73
    Yes, let's get rid of Aetherflow, one of the last remnants of actual resource management in this game. It's not like anyone likes those anyways.
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  2. #682
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Monk Lv 100
    I just would have hoped we'd learned by now that "remove depth now and hope there's improvement later" is a bad idea.

    Remove jank, where it offers no meaningful affordances? Sure.

    Removing core systems and affordances outright just because they offer more than what other jobs work with or they're more deliberate of choices? Please no.
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  3. #683
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    I just would have hoped we'd learned by now that "remove depth now and hope there's improvement later" is a bad idea.

    Remove jank, where it offers no meaningful affordances? Sure.

    Removing core systems and affordances outright just because they offer more than what other jobs work with or they're more deliberate of choices? Please no.
    We want more DPS options for complexity, but the devs have already shown they do not want to make jobs any more complex. If you want more DPS complexity, they're going to rip healing complexity away to pay for it, and AF is the only complexity SCH has left in the healing department.

    We know it's coming that they're going to be reworking SCH, they stated they "don't know what more to do with SCH." When that rework comes, I foresee they'll likely be dropping AF and ED, as they've stated they hate ED, and that they don't like how SCH and SMN are connected.
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  4. #684
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    Leon Keyh
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    We want more DPS options for complexity, but the devs have already shown they do not want to make jobs any more complex. If you want more DPS complexity, they're going to rip healing complexity away to pay for it, and AF is the only complexity SCH has left in the healing department.

    We know it's coming that they're going to be reworking SCH, they stated they "don't know what more to do with SCH." When that rework comes, I foresee they'll likely be dropping AF and ED, as they've stated they hate ED, and that they don't like how SCH and SMN are connected.
    I think I speak for the entire healer playerbase when I say

    "Please, take away the healing 'complexity' and replace it with DPS complexity if that's what needs to happen. Take away the 8-12 abilities that generally all do the same thing that we press 20% of the time and give us 8-12 abilities that do slightly different things instead of pressing one ability 70% of the time and another 10% of the time."

    It would certainly be nice to have some level of complexity on both sides, but I don't really feel like there is _much_ complexity already in the healing aspect of healers. I feel like it's mainly bloat. Healing is generally: Prioritize OGCDs, if you can't use an OGCD prioritize the more powerful GCD that fits the situation. So I'm not sure what we would necessarily lose there. Though, I'm sure SE could find a way to lose more 'complexity'.
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  5. #685
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    Though, I'm sure SE could find a way to lose more 'complexity'.
    Stay tuned for the AST rework that's coming up. That should give us an idea on whether or not they've learned anything from the complaints, and then also the praise for pvp's action kits.
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  6. #686
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    I have always wanted more support options on healers instead of just a ridiculous amount of healing skills. Maybe take something close to 1/3rd of their healing kits out and replace them with support abilities that either buff party members or debuff enemies. The only problem I foresee with that is the only buffs or debuffs this team know of are flat DPS percentage increases, so it would be hard to come up with different abilities that would essentially all do the same thing. The astrodyne system on AST right now is really a stretch to justify having seals on cards that all do the same thing.
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  7. #687
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    Severian Lyonesse
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by HyonaCookie View Post
    Yes, let's get rid of Aetherflow, one of the last remnants of actual resource management in this game. It's not like anyone likes those anyways.
    You realize now that you have brought this to light, it's going to be removed.
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  8. #688
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
    You realize now that you have brought this to light, it's going to be removed.
    I don't think SCH in PVP uses aetherflow anymore either, so they may already be looking into that.
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  9. #689
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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    I don't think SCH in PVP uses aetherflow anymore either, so they may already be looking into that.
    Wow. Big sad.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

  10. #690
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    Y'dyalani Rhus
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Just remove healers and give all recuperation and elixir like in pvp. Manage your own health.
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